full-disclosure - FW: Shadowcrew Grand Jury Indictment

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From: micah at style.net (Micah McNelly)
Subject: FW: Shadowcrew Grand Jury Indictment

Without web defacing teenagers this industry wouldn't have gained the
momentum it has.  Yin/Yang.  Without your so called cybercriminals your life
would be meaningless.

/m

Len rose is a muppet.

Stop moderating my mail.


----- Original Message -----
From: "n3td3v" <xploitable@...il.com>
To: <full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: FW: [Full-Disclosure] Shadowcrew Grand Jury Indictment


> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:29:19 -0700 (MST), Bruce Ediger
> <eballen1@...st.net> wrote:
> > Unfortunately, the US Government operates under the auspices of a small
> > document called "The Constitution", and a little concept called "Common
Law".
> > Now, I know that you trendy kids call things like that "quaint" (I
believe
> > that's what our new Attorney general calls things like the Geneva
Convention.
> > See
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/06/13/wguan13.xml&
sSheet=/news/2004/06/13/ixworld.html)
> > but fortunately for the rest of us, "presumption of innocence" remains
> > the standard of the land.
> >
> > If you small-minded totalitarians don't like that sacred principle, get
> > the hell out of the US.  We don't need your kind. Move to some Banana
> > Republic where they change the rules all the time in the face of 1000
> > years of tradition and philosophy and the Blood of Patriots who died to
> > protect these rights.
> >
> > "Zero tollerence".  What will these doofuses think of next?  I bet they
> > start up a cult of personality around the nation's leader, including a
> > new salute borrowed from the Romans.
>
> I don't live in the U.S thankfully, I live in a sane country called the
U.K
>
> Would you agree with closing down a site that was letting child
> abusers to post links to illegal child porn photographs? Would the
> site owner be able to say, we aren't involved with any of these links,
> we just provide the site for the criminals to do it, so other child
> abusers can get links easy to child porn photos.
>
> But no, when we move onto online malicious hacker crimes, its ok for
> sites, such as zone-h, which allows malicious hackers to post links
> for other hackers to get a kick over, just like a child abuser would
> by visiting a child porn photo.
>
> Imagine a child abuse site which also kept a score board of the
> biggest amount of child porn photo posters. Yet again we move onto
> malicious hacker online crimes, it seems to be different for zone-h to
> keep scores of the biggest malicious hacker defacement posters.
>
> Why one rule for one online crime promotion site and not the same rule
> for another online crime promotion site? I guess you would allow a
> child porn promotion site, like you think its ok for zone-h to be
> online promoting online malicious hacking and not closed down.
>
> Thanks,n3td3v
> http://www.geocities.com/n3td3v
>
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