From: vordhosbn at gmail.com (vord)
Subject: Why is IRC still around?

this is quite possibly the most ridiculous thing ive ever read.
normally i would respond to it in more detail but i have received
literally dozens of responses from members of this list who either
sympathize with my position or have outright called you an
idiot/lamer. i therefore see no need to defend myself or #hackphreak
publicly when the public does not require it. they already know you're
a moron, i dont need to beat a dead horse by making you look the fool
over and over again.

--vord


On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:07:26 +0000, n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:56:41 -0600, vord <vordhosbn@...il.com> wrote:
> > [flame]
> 
> 
> > n3td3v/malformed,
> >
> > please think before you speak. ive already explained this to you more
> > than once. #hackphreak is no longer  associated with a "group" and no
> > longer intends to be a channel dedicated primarily to matters of
> > hacking/phreaking technical discussion [we therefore accommodate
> > "lamers" who "don't know anything" and "give IRC/hackers/phreakers a
> > bad name" whatever the fuck that means -- suffice it to say, its not
> > primarily a help channel anymore.
> 
> Yeah, you said it. You had to move stance on it being a lamer channel,
> because no one with intelligence is on the channel anymore. You make
> out as if it was planned. The channel went down hill and you have no
> choice but to admit its a lamer channel, full of script kiddies, who
> consider themselves "real hackers".
> 
> 
> we talk to each other about whatever
> > the fuck we want and answer questions when and if we damn well feel
> > like it. we do not congregate there for your enjoyment, we do so for
> > our own. moreover, most of us deal with computers all day long and
> > don't particularly care to talk about them 24/7.
> 
> I don't disagree with you on that. Lots of script kiddies are online
> 24/7. Even some of them work in computers as a job, then come home and
> go straight on the computer at home and spend all night on #hackphreak
> because they have no friends of social lives.
> 
> >
> > oh hey, remind us why no one reads your forum even though you spam the
> > link on this list several times a day. :X
> 
> Probably because its not a public forum and its not been online for
> very long, and probably because I keep deleteing and adding forum
> sections alot at the moment.
> 
> Its not really ment to be a public forum with loads of authors. Its
> really a place for me to post stuff i'm doing and let various vendors
> read it. The majority of members are infact vendors from various
> e-mails i've sent them on a security issue, and i've welcomed them to
> read some posts i've put up on my forum they may be interested in. The
> link I post on this list and other sites is for the homepage, not the
> forum. You'll notice I don't firectly link to the forum. Its really
> the homepage I intend people to read more than the forum, so people
> who read my posts on mailing lists and online forums can get a taste
> about what I stand for and believe in.
> 
> > as far as "real hackers" are concerned ... it takes one to know one;
> 
> Are you calling me a hacker? If so, then you must be a hacker as well,
> as it takes a hacker to know a hacker. I'm not a hacker, if you read
> my homepage instead of going to the forum, you'll see I work against
> hackers, and report them whenever possible to vendors, to stop them
> being evil hax0rs.
> 
>  if there are real hackers anywhere its #hackphreak. if you
> > like, you can send all of your hacking/security related questions
> > directly to us from now on ... we would be glad to make you look like
> > an idiot on a regular basis as it would certainly be entertaining. i
> > will personally see to it that all of your questions are answered in a
> > timely fashion.
> 
> I think you seriously don't know the difference between script kiddies
> and real hackers. hackphreak has no real hackers as you admitted at
> the start of this e-mail, the channel is full of lamers, who only do
> general chat. The only real thing you do have is real script kiddies,
> thats the only *real* thing the channel has. Yes a script kiddie can
> be online infront of computers 24/7 and also work in I.T during the
> day, thats pretty run-of-the-mill for a script kiddie, unless you are
> thinking more of the teenger script kiddie who goes to school and
> comes home at night infront of mom and dads computer, which is also a
> script kiddie.
> 
> Yeah, I would glady come back on the channel and further make a fool
> of you, but at the moment its only my bot on it, relaying the
> transcript to me outside the channel, for me to read at any casual
> time i've got spare time too. If you hadn't noticed the majority of
> nicks on the channel are various peoples bots, rather than sados like
> you who are *actually* on the channel, thinking youre a real cool guy
> being an op. You only have say 20 real people on the channel out of
> say 100.
> 
> Now whose the real mug, the saddo with no social life op(vord), or the
> guy with a bot keeping logs of keywords(n3td3v), to try and to stop
> script kiddies hacking the internet? My bot is joined by various other
> intelligence agency bots and other security researcher bots. You
> decide.
> 
> > --v
> > #hackphreak/undernet
> > giving irc and real hackers/phreakers a bad name since 1998.
> 
> I really feel sorry for you if you've been on the channel since 1998,
> you must be so proud. No friends, no social life for all those years.
> What a great thing. Yet again, the length of time you've been online
> or infront of computers does not make you anything less than a script
> kiddie.
> 
> Real hackers are defined by skill. Not the length of time you've been
> online or on a IRC channel. Someone could be online 2 years and never
> step foot near IRC and out school you with knowledge ten times over,
> so stating 1998 means nothing as far as skills goes, if anything it
> just shows you up as a sado.
> 
> We're watching the real script kiddies on #hackphreak for malicious
> agendas, not real hackers.
> 
> 
> 
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