From: stevex11 at sbcglobal.net (Steve Kudlak)
Subject: Request Declined; Causes of failures in systems
	was list noise

phased wrote:

>yes you can suck my cock, mmmk thanks
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>THIS EMAIL IS (C) 2005 phased all rights reserved
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Kudlak <stevex11@...global.net>
>To: dcdave@....net
>Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:11:36 -0800
>Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] list noise
>
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>>dcdave@....net wrote:
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>>>I will NOT respond to this; 
>>>I will NOT respond to this; 
>>>I will Not respond to this;
>>>
>>>dcdave
>>>
>>>--
>>>CSO
>>>InfoSec Group
>>>703-626-6516		
>>>	
>>>
>>>-------------- Original message ----------------------
>>>From: phased <phased@...l.ru>
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>I also care about noise, and responding to stupid mails makes it worse.
>>>>Every time people send stupid mails like the rm file thing, and people reply to 
>>>>the list, the author was successful in filling the list with crap for a day or 
>>>>so.
>>>>
>>>>If no one replies, then they dont get attention and the people who know their 
>>>>advisories(anyone with common sense) are blatantly crap will not be affected by 
>>>>their nuisance.
>>>>
>>>>You always get a load of emails to the list from people who want to tell 
>>>>everyone they know that an advisory for example was crap, yes we know
>>>>thank you, but we are not handing out gold stars today!!!
>>>>No need to tell us all every time!!!
>>>>
>>>>phased
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Barrie Dempster <barrie@...oot-robot.net>
>>>>To: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
>>>>Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:36:07 +0000
>>>>Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] Multiple Backdoors found in eEye Products(IRISand 
>>>>SecureIIS)
>>>>
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>>>>>I'd have to agree with the eEye statement on this one. You sent out an
>>>>>advisory without disclosing the details, which offers no real benefit to
>>>>>anyone. Many people consider this responsible disclosure but that also
>>>>>requires you to notify the vendor (there were no @eeye.com's in your
>>>>>"to" list but there were a couple of press mailboxes).
>>>>>
>>>>>You didn't contact eEye, you didn't release details, you used an
>>>>>anonymous address and failed to mention or credit any of the other guys
>>>>>in your "testing team", This can only lead us to believe that the
>>>>>advisory is fake and only intended to generate bad press for eEye. I
>>>>>personally don't care about eEye's PR rating but I do care about the
>>>>>level of noise on these lists and I do care about backdoor-ed commercial
>>>>>products that are in common use. You may have an issue with eEye and see
>>>>>this as revenge. However, I doubt you also have an issue with the many
>>>>>admins who probably have spent their holiday season investigating these
>>>>>claims, when there are likely more pressing matters to address, such as
>>>>>a large stock of alcohol.
>>>>>
>>>>>Show us details, or be quiet. If you intended to embarrass eEye the plan
>>>>>backfired as any competent professional on this list (there are a few -
>>>>>I've heard stories about them) would see this as a shameful attempt and
>>>>>would be laughing at you, not eEye.
>>>>>
>>>>>Seasons greetings to eEye and all Full Disclosure subscribers - even you
>>>>>"Lance Gusto".
>>>>>
>>>>>With Regards..
>>>>>Barrie Dempster (zeedo) - Fortiter et Strenue
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.bsrf.org.uk
>>>>>
>>>>>[ gpg --recv-keys --keyserver www.keyserver.net 0x96025FD0 ]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
>>>>>Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
>>>>Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
>>>Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>Neither Will I!
>>Neither Will I!
>>Neither Will I!
>>Let it Die!
>>Let it Die!
>>Let it Die!;)
>>
>>Have Fun,
>>Sends Steve
>>
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I would prefer not to; Go find a girlfriend or boyfriend to take of that 
....
It is definitely not  a security issues despite what republicans claimed
during Monicagate but I suspect if one were having "too much fun"
during security software install.bad things might happen later.

Speaking of that I used to write "pattern summaries"  of  NTSB/FAA
air accident stuff in a forner life; Human Error was often at rhe bottom 
of it
and lots of people did pull stupids because they were otherwise involved.
Ofter however a good chunk like 50% could be traced back to people
being too tired when they were doing something important. I wonder how
many security problems come from being tired or something rather tan more
comolicated stuff. I mean some of the setting up stuff I have domne was 
pretty
complicated and should not be done when tied or comprised.  Like now when]
I am tired and making typos etc.''

Have Fun,
Sends Stev

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