full-disclosure - Moderated?

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Date: Sat Sep 10 00:22:50 2005
From: rara at navigo.com (Rachael Treu Gomes)
Subject: Moderated?

How time flies...I didn't think it was yet time for our
quarterly "Hey-I've-got-a-great-idea-let's-clean-up-this-list-
-there's-no-place-like-bugtraq!" thread...

Just to retain the proper balance between the question being
asked and the previous reasoning being referenced...

Our FD "dedicated guys" are:

The list was created on 9th July 2002 by Len Rose, and is
primarily concerned with security issues and their discussion.
The list is administered by John Cartwright.
</list_charter_Introduction&Purpose_snip>

Our expectations on FD moderation:

The [Full-Disclosure] list is unmoderated.
</list_charter_Moderation_&_Management_snip>

And our expectations of posting praxes on FD:

Disagreements, flames, arguments, and off-topic discussion
should be taken off-list wherever possible.
</list_charter_Acceptable_Content_snip>

(It's that "wherever possible" clause that gets us every
time...for FD, it's rarely possible to duplicate the thrill
of spanking your fellow subscribers in such an open flog 
forum, so trolling and roiling is thereby permissible and 
rarely ported off-list.)

;)

Thus spake the FD Mailing List Charter, brought to you by
http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html

No flame intended,
--ra


On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 10:11:43PM +1200, VeNoMouS said something to the effect of:
> Nah I'm sorry,  But I gotta agree with Enrico, this list has way to many 
> kids on it now, fuck i dont even bother opening my full-disclosure folder 
> half the time now cause i know its full of crap. some one does needa pull 
> finger and do some cleaning in reguards to moderation.
> 
> If it keeps going the way it does, The people who post valid shit will just 
> walk.
> 
> Is this a security mailing list or a teen irc channel?
> 
> 
> ps: flame all you want, sif i care, i know there will be a couple of you 
> fucktards who will take this to much to heart and abuse me a little.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rachael Treu Gomes" <rara@...igo.com>
> To: "Enrico Kern" <phantom@....org>
> Cc: <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 6:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Moderated?
> 
> 
> If you've been lurking here for years, you should also
> be able to remember 2 things...
> 
> 1.  This list is is based on unmoderated communications.
> 2.  This list is notorious for the colorful belligerence
> and of its posters and rampant barking of wild animals.
> 
> Where have you been?  ;)
> 
> Searching the archives for the many previous suggestions
> that this list be moderated or complaints that its
> subscribers behave like cranky monkeys will yield
> multiple reasons for why things remain the same...
> 
> --ra
> 
> On Thu, Sep 08, 2005 at 07:35:08PM +0200, Enrico Kern said something to the 
> effect of:
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > i read this list now for a few years and a while ago it was (ok is still
> > is...) a good information source for vulnerabilities and other security
> > relevant informations.
> >
> > But since a while it seems like kids do a good job on taking over this
> > list. Hello? there is no need to fight each other her, nor todo useless
> > posts (AND REPLYS TO STUPID POSTS). Whats up with a few guys here?
> >
> > Maybe its no bad idea to get some dedicated guys to sort this bullshit out
> > here. Just a suggestion.
> >
> > Greetings
> >
> > Enrico Kern
> >
> > - ------------------->
> > "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
> > bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce
> > bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." (Rich Cook)
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> >
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> -- 
> rachael treu gomes                            rara@...igo.com
>                ..quis custodiet ipsos custodes?..
> (this email has been brought to you by the letters 'v' and 'i'.)
> 
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
rachael treu gomes                            rara@...igo.com
               ..quis custodiet ipsos custodes?..
(this email has been brought to you by the letters 'v' and 'i'.)