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Date: Mon Oct  3 12:25:45 2005
From: randallm at fidmail.com (Randall M)
Subject: Bigger burger roll needed

Virus Friendly and phased might be to young to remember the old saying "what
you want the next generation to believe begin teaching this generation". It
is a known fact that the major cause of computer criminal acts is the result
of careless and uneducated users. I have said it again and again, the "User"
is the best defense any Admin can have. If she or he understands the dangers
they will not click the tempting link or download the pretty card. And if
they take what they have learned home with them they diminish the Botnet
army. As far as "16 year olds can pass the CISSP exam" statement, that's a
dam educated user.

Thank You
Randall M

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::::-----Original Message-----
::::From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk 
::::[mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On 
::::Behalf Of phased
::::Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 5:26 AM
::::To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
::::Subject: Re[2]: [Full-disclosure] Bigger burger roll needed
::::
::::"Put information infront of the user, on unrelated pages. 
::::Keep doing it and eventually users will educated on a 
::::reasonable level to better check and patch systems, before 
::::the authors of malicious code and script kids get to them 
::::first." n3td3v
::::
::::No, your receptionist really couldnt give a shit, they have 
::::enough to do without reading security advisories spammed to 
::::them every day.  What you would find is that they will 
::::probably learn more about adding a spam filter than 
::::securing their PC.  Educating end users on risk is good, 
::::but you cant expect them to patch their own systems 
::::especially when someone else is being paid to, or do you 
::::want to be out of a job? :)
::::
::::-----Original Message-----
::::From: Virus Friendly <virus.friendly@...il.com>
::::To: n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com>
::::Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 04:47:09 -0400
::::Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Bigger burger roll needed
::::
::::> I like how security professionals see themselves as part of the 
::::> intellectual elite and the "computer users" as the 
::::ignorant hoards.
::::> In a field where anyone is call an "expert", and 16 year 
::::olds can pass 
::::> a CISSP, how is it that these "experts" forget they are only a 
::::> certification away from being clueless.
::::> 
::::>  On 10/1/05, n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com> wrote:
::::> >
::::> > Hello to security community,
::::> >
::::> > n3td3v thought you might like to be alerted to his 
::::latest internet 
::::> > posting on corporate security and the relation between 
::::corporations, 
::::> > the consumer..... and computer security.
::::> >
::::> > Details:
::::> >
::::> >
::::> > 
::::http://news.com.com/5208-12-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=10054&messageI
::::> > D=72865&start=-196
::::> >
::::> > Yours truely,
::::> >
::::> > n3td3v
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