Date: Sun Nov 13 21:52:06 2005
From: barrie at reboot-robot.net (Barrie Dempster)
Subject: FAO Mark Murtagh from Websense

On Sun, 2005-11-13 at 21:18 +0000, n3td3v wrote:
> WHAT, are you think launching personal attacks against someone is
> somthing to be proud of? 

Not at all, initially I commented on the fact that you attacked someone
who obviously understood the situation and you didn't seem to understand
the situation. No personal attack was made. Just an observation.


Afterwards you quoted some rap at me, which contained some allusion to
defending myself which appeared to be a personal attack. Then I mocked
you, again no personal attack I'll mock anyone that quotes rap at me,
indiscriminately.

> I have been on the scene for the last 7 years and you
> think you can come on here and make me look like a complete newbie?

You did that, all I did was point it out.

> You know nothing about me or who I talk to off list or what I do. Then
> you go down the path of saying I have never worked on a system. You're
> right I haven't, 

So I was right then ? You are saying I shouldn't make these assumptions
and then you confirm them, seems I'm a good judge of character thanks
for pointing that out, I'll be sure it's on my CV for my next "nerdy
job".

> kind of to do with something to do with me not being
> a hacker. 

No kidding.

> If you bothered to stop your personal attacks (mindless
> attacks) you would see on my site it says "Security Researcher". To me
> security researcher means studying information that's out there, and
> studying hacker trends and techniques and doing investigative work for
> intelligence building to hand my findings over to vendors. You try and
> bring me down and make me look small. You know nothing about me, its
> about time you stopped bringing people down and get back to what you
> were doing. 

I didn't personally attack you, you attacked me and all I did was point
out things you admit are true and mock you for quoting rap music to me.

> If you didn't like my article based on my own personal
> experiences online, thats your problem. I'm in contact with high up
> people all the time trying to stop the bad guys from laucnhing attacks
> against corporations, now fuck off back to your nerdy job in the
> industry or where ever you came from and leave people like me alone.

Thanks for the advice, however being here is both part of my job and
part of my leisure time, if it's OK with you I'll hang around.


> As for my "english", I wrote that write up in about 5 minutes one
> morning, I didn't even bother to check grammer, I just type with
> passion, and whatever comes out, comes out.

Well can you at least try to address it properly, the intended recipient
would probably prefer a direct email rather than a list he may not
subscribe to.

>  And you're blantant
> attenpt to turn Morning Wood against me in public was just pathetic.

It wasn't an attempt at anything like that it was a conversational
interest point over something that MW and I had both noticed.
Incidentally I'm sure MW already had his own opinions of you which I was
unlikely to sway.

>  I
> have done computer science and all the other bullshit you "smart
> arses" on this list boast about. Shame you can't but judge people on
> face value, instead of getting to know the people you're commenting on
> first.

Congratulations! I certainly don't boast about computer science. As for
face value, you admitted my judgements were correct, so there is no
issue with my assumptions is there? Although I agree face value isn't
always the best thing to go on, but in this case it's all I have and it
seems it was adequate.

I apologise that my comments upset you so much you had to draft a
lengthy flame-filled response, it was not the intent. My intention was
merely to discuss the merits of someone that self-admittedly isn't a
hacker discussing hacker culture. This may not have been entirely
obvious from the original email but was something that seemed like an
interesting point and it seemed others (MW) on the list saw something
worth discussing there. You'll notice the email was addressed to the
list and MW and not to yourself, for future reference if I ever decide
to personally attack someone it will at least be CC'd to their address,
but most likely their address will be the first one listed in the email
headers.

Your previously provided entertainment is appreciated. Long may it
continue :-)


-- 
With Regards..
Barrie Dempster (zeedo) - Fortiter et Strenue

"He who hingeth aboot, geteth hee-haw" Victor - Still Game

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