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Date: Tue Jan 17 21:06:44 2006
From: yboily at gmail.com (Yvan Boily)
Subject: Secure Delete for Windows

On 1/17/06, sk <sk@...undzero-security.com> wrote:
> thank you for the constructive feedback. at least it was usefull
> and not just some random flame. i do appriciate your comment,
> i dont agree with some points though. it may be the default business strategy,
> but if a single person (or a handfull) think they have to complain that i announce
> a security application here, i do argue about it. then again, i should better ignore
> such random bullshit as there will be always some smart ass who thinks he has
> to post a negative and senseless comment.
>
> > I guess you only consider orders useful.  I wonder how you respond to
> > complaints about bugs?
>
> i'd appriciate it as then we can make the software more stable. thats only good.

Considering how rabid the response to even mild criticism was, I would
have issues believing that feedback would be recieved with open arms.

> > Remember! Swearing at your customers shows them who's boss!
> done with sarcasm ?

The entire section before the --- was sarcastic.

> > ** this is not an endorsement or support of any community members, but
> > rather an observation that it is typical business practice to treat
> > even the most annoying potential customer with respect.
>
> i know that those arent even potential customers so thats why. a real customer,
> of course, will receive a friendly response.

GroundZero Security (email account at least) was using the same
channel to blast critics as was used to market the product.  This is
extremely unprofessional.

If an organization is going to spam a mailing list, it would be wise
to treat ever member of that mailing list with respect, and certainly
not tell users to 'stfu'.  That is just stupid.

Just a thought.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yvan Boily" <yboily@...il.com>
> To: "GroundZero Security" <fd@....org>
> Cc: <virus@...og.org>; <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 9:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Secure Delete for Windows
>
>
> > Now for the lesson on business communication:
> >
> > 1. Dealing with open source proponents:
> > > also not everyone posts their source so what is your fucking problem?!
> >
> > 2. Elliciting positive feedback:
> > > my god if you dont have anything usefull to say, then
> > > why dont you stfu.
> >
> > 3. Commenting on community members**:
> > > it seems suddenly after this n3td0rk shit, everyone starts
> > > his own little flame wars over nothing
> >
> > Remember! Swearing at your customers shows them who's boss!
> >
> > ---
> >
> > I guess you only consider orders useful.  I wonder how you respond to
> > complaints about bugs?
> >
> > Just a note; if you are going to market your product to people try to
> > avoid making a negative impression!  And certainly, reply to people
> > individually as you will, but if you are going to blast someone then
> > do it privately.  I know this is not really my nature, but then again,
> > I am not marketing products!
> >
> > ** this is not an endorsement or support of any community members, but
> > rather an observation that it is typical business practice to treat
> > even the most annoying potential customer with respect.
> >
>


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