Date: Thu Feb 16 23:36:08 2006
From: bpasdar at igxglobal.com (Babak Pasdar)
Subject: Your neighbor's security is critical to your
	security


Steve,

My point with this write up was to offer a different perspective on a
problem most of us are aware of.  

No I am not a fan of the Patriot Act, I consider it useless and an
infringement on our rights.  And getting a politician involved will only
make the situation worse and I am certain a new tax will come out of it.

However I do believe that there are LOTS of compromised, hijacked and
infected systems out there at some level.  Moreover I do believe there
are lots of sympathetic people out there who are willing to lend their
resources without understanding the mechanism or ramifications.

I believe I did provide facts for the following points:

1. What everybody already know.  Good practices on the part of vendors
and users.  This is a given and I am sure you can agree with this.

2. Be a good neighbor.  This is a HUGE point.   America (and this
includes SBC) is a target rich environment and it will take a community
effort of behavior, process, and practices to just protect our systems
from internal threats, not to mention external ones.  The example I
provided actually happened so no game of Dungeons and Dragons there.  As
was the case with the Palestinians, any one who is sympathetic to a
cause could globally collaborate to hit us right in the pocket.

As far as what the answer is, I'll admit, I don't know. That is why I
posted to get the engagement and involvement of the smart folks on this
group.  Maybe a solution already exists that I am not aware of.  I would
love to be enlightened.  

Thank you for your response and feedback.  Thank you for your passion!

Sincerely,

Babak Pasdar
Founder / Chief Technology & Information Security Officer

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On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 14:45 -0800, Steve Kudlak wrote:
> Trying to be gentle here, what are your proposed fixes other than a 
> homey proverb and a few
> examples.  I certainly don't want a certrally controlled internet with 
> someone looking over it.
> You could try to convince  people to people they should be careful on 
> what they click. There are
> lots of things on the net that say  "if you are irritated about say for 
> example, the Patriot Act, click
> here and we will send a post card to your representative or senator. Now 
> the effect this had was
> that most senators began to ignore their email. So this has happened in 
> the lowly world of a paper
> mail being sent. This by the way is my grumble about "grassroots 
> movements" fail because they often
> to convince their representatives that the ideas they hold have sense 
> rather than being a large amount
> of worked up people. Of course my counter argument has the other side 
> does the same thing of working
> people up and trying to get them to accept a bunch of politicies that 
> are not based on reality.
> 
> That is why I pretty much expect people to present a reasonable and 
> concrete plan against what
> they are worried about, and that they establish what they are worried 
> about is a reasonable thing
> to be worried about. I dount you can convince 2% of the Internet to 
> click something to bother
> someone iof they realize it could be done to them too.The question is 
> what you hope are the proper
> steps to defend against a credible set of threats.
> 
> I really think there are threats out there but that much of the whole 
> "White Hat", "Black Hat" and if you
> wiill "Yellow Hat" or "Red Hat" Community is about as real as Dungeons 
> and Dragons games that
> spawned the terms. This whole idea of the millions and millions of 
> compromised machines maybe a
> bit exaggerrated. I am sure somc set of bored bright teens could have a 
> bit of fun trying to take down sbcglobal for fun by
> pinging it  or something elese to prove their mispelling of "hacker" 
> prowess. to yours truly but as far as I am concerned
> vague fears are vague fears until someone actually nails it down. 
> Elsewise it gets to be like all these "Sleeper
> Cells" we are supposed to be worried about so we will sell all our 
> rights down the river.
> 
> I am sure encouraging people to be a little more cautious and all that 
> is a good thing. PLease however
> try to provide some real facts to back up your points.
> 
> Have Fun,
> Sends Steve
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Babak Pasdar wrote:
> 
> >Here is a recent blog entry on why your neighbor's security is important
> >to your organization's security.
> >
> >
> >When I was a child, my mother would share with me a proverb about a
> >woman who lived in a large village. This woman was, using today's terms,
> >a clean freak. She would clean her house day and night, inside and out,
> >but it still would not be clean. So she went to the village elder and
> >asked what she could do so that her house would finally be clean.
> >
> >The elder responded, if you want your house to be clean, you should talk
> >to your neighbors and make sure their homes are clean. This was
> >surprising to the woman who asked why her neighbor's cleanliness would
> >affect her?
> >
> >The elder shared that if the area around her house is clean then there
> >will be less dirt that can find it's way into her house.
> >
> >The same holds true with technology security. So many organizations are
> >extremely engaged in making their security the best it can be. Despite
> >any efforts, what would happen if only 2% of the Internet decided to
> >Ping your site or systems at the same time. Regardless of the capacity
> >you boast and the big boxes in your environment, you would go down for
> >that moment. 
> >
> >Read the rest here...
> >http://dsb.igxglobal.com/plugins/content/content.php?content.39
> >
> >
> >Babak Pasdar
> >Founder / Chief Technology & Information Security Officer
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