full-disclosure - Re: 21 Million German bank accounts stolen

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:58:13 +0200
From: "James Matthews" <nytrokiss@...il.com>
To: "Jost Krieger" <Jost.Krieger+f-d@....de>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: 21 Million German bank accounts stolen

Also money transfers are traceable.... I am guessing that they also have EC
card data.

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Jost Krieger
<Jost.Krieger+f-d@....de<Jost.Krieger%2Bf-d@....de>
> wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 04:11:48PM +0200, James Matthews wrote:
> > German banks are some of the oldest in the world. This is pretty scary
> > however it is also the reality of germanys new laws... I hope they find
> it
> > soon and protect the people that need to be protected
> > http://it.slashdot.org/it/08/12/09/0125201.shtml
>
> What Slashdot doesn't say:
>
> What was disclosed were 1.2 million account numbers plus additional
> information, but not means of access. This is bad enough of course.
>
> The 21 million were claimed to be available by the perps, which is
> believable, as they tried to sell them to a newspaper.
>
> The trail seems to lead to small call centers, where someone collects
> these data and sells them on the side. The banks seem not to be
> involved at all.
>
> If you find this all weird, payments in Germany work totally different
> from the US. Noone uses checks for private payments, either you use
> money transfer or you have the money directly pulled from your account
> (and you can call it back for at least 6 weeks). So a lot of people know
> your account number.
>
> Jost
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