Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:06:59 +0200
From: "Avraham Schneider" <avri.schneider@...il.com>
To: "Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman" <buanzo@...nzo.com.ar>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: The war in Palestine

yeah, yeah... I know it's painful to hear the truth.

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman <
buanzo@...nzo.com.ar> wrote:

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> Avraham Schneider wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman
> > <buanzo@...nzo.com.ar <mailto:buanzo@...nzo.com.ar>> wrote:
> >
> > Oh come on, who gives a real fuck... god doesn't exist anyway.
> > Religion is an excuse to dominate
> > simple minds.
> >
> >> At least 178 Jews and persons of half- or three-quarters-Jewish ancestry
> >> have been awarded the Nobel Prize,1 accounting for 23% of all individual
> >> recipients worldwide between 1901 and 2008, and constituting 37% of all
> >> US recipients2 during the same period.  In the scientific research
> >> fields of Chemistry, Economics, Medicine, and Physics, the corresponding
> >> world and US percentages are 27% and 40%, respectively.  (Jews currently
> >> make up approximately 0.25% of the world's population and 2% of the US
> >> population.)
> >
> >> Considering Jews are testifying to the existence of G-d - I would say it
> >> is hard to make your claim under these results...
> >
> >
> >
> > Avraham Schneider wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Alaa Abdelwahab
> > <alaa.abdelwahab@...e.fr <mailto:alaa.abdelwahab@...e.fr>
> >> <mailto:alaa.abdelwahab@...e.fr <mailto:alaa.abdelwahab@...e.fr>>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>     Avraham,
> >
> >>     With all respect to your point, thanks to use a better language
> >
> >>     I did not deny that the Jewish ppl exist since what ever many
> > years, but
> >>     does that mean they have to own the whole land now?
> >
> >> They owned the land - it was conquered from them - they got it
> > back - so
> >> yes, they have the right for the whole land now.
> >
> >
> >>     I think this just give them the right to live and own their lands,
> >>     without denying the same right
> >>     for Christians and Muslims who used to live there as well for
> >>     thousands of years even before the existence of the idea of
> > the states.
> >
> >> The Arabs did not live there for thousands of years.
> >> Israel never denied Christians or Muslims from living in Israel, proof
> >> is in the large number of Israeli-Arabs (including Arab Knesset
> > members).
> >> The Palestinians in the occupied territories were not born there -
> > they
> >> were refugees from Arab countries that either fled there during the
> >> war(s) with the Arab countries (that were defeated) or Arabs that
> >> entered the land after the Arab leaders promised that Israel would be
> >> defeated - something that did not happen.
> >> When Israel signed peace agreements with Egypt and Jordan - the later
> >> made it clear they do not want those Arabs back - did you ever wonder
> >> why? Don't they care for their fellow Arabs?
> >
> >
> >
> >>     There might be a wrong popular idea that Arabs have a problem with
> >>     Jewish,
> >>     they only have a problem with Israel, and as you said when Muslims
> >>     control
> >>     the area, they didn't kick the Jewish out of it, in contrary
> > to what
> >>     Europe
> >>     did before with Jewish and what Israel is doing now with
> > Palestinians.
> >
> >> The following is the text of the Hamas spokesman's call for
> > genocide of
> >> Jews, the Hamas spokesman, Dr. Ismail Radwan, on Palestinian Authority
> >> TV, on March 30, 2007:
> >
> >> "The Hour [Resurrection] will not take place until the Muslims
> > fight the
> >> Jews and the Muslims kill them, and the rock and the tree will
> > say: Oh,
> >> Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, kill him!'
> >
> >> I think that proves you wrong.
> >
> >
> >
> >>     The Idea is to live and let others live as well.
> >
> >> Didn't we try that? What about the Oslo agreement? 100% of the
> > land the
> >> Palestinians wanted was given to them - for peace.
> >> The 'favor' we got in return was daily rocket attacks from civilian
> >> population that support the terrorists firing them.
> >
> >
> >
> >>     Regarding the War idea you are talking about, you mean that you
> >>     agree with
> >>     aggressive force usage. So we live in a jungle, who ever own
> > the power
> >>     should kill every one before they have the same power.
> >>     I'm surprised from your idea.
> >
> >> In reality (call it a jungle if you like) - no country would
> > accept the
> >> daily firing of rockets on it's civilian population.
> >> Imagine Mexico's drug cartels being voted in as elect government
> > by 90%
> >> of Mexican people - and them deciding to get California back from the
> >> U.S. - then starting to shoot low-grade rockets at San-Diego.
> >> How do you think the U.S. would react?
> >> How do you expect the U.S. to react?
> >
> >
> >
> >>     So you want to say that it was a big mistake that Muslims didn't
> >>     kill all
> >>     Christians and Jewish when they were much more powerful and
> > they had the
> >>     chance? No that is not acceptable we are civilized ppl and we
> >>     believe that
> >>     we all should live in peace and equally treat ppl regardless their
> >>     religion,
> >>     color, origin ...etc
> >
> >> They converted many by the sword and killed those who would not
> > convert
> >> - they didn't succeed but they tried.
> >
> >
> >
> >>     The history is saying that no one keep the power for long, so
> > don't
> >>     built
> >>     the hate or you are going to pay for it.
> >
> >> History shows the Jews are victorious at the end. Large empires
> > rise and
> >> fall - but at the end of the day, the Jews are right and justice
> > prevails.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>     Hope that you will not change your idea when positions will be
> > changed.
> >
> >> You assume 'positions' will change - I don't see that happening...
> >> regardless I have G-d on my side so I have nothing to be afraid.
> >
> >
> >
> >>     But we will never change our idea.
> >
> >> I know - story has it's Mr. Evil - in the story of reality today Mr.
> >> Evil is played by radical Islam. I hope it is the last Mr. Evil the
> >> world has to deal with.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>     Brgds...Alaa
> >
> >
> >
> >
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