Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 21:04:35 -0500
From: Pete Licoln <pete.licoln@...il.com>
To: Rubén Camarero <rjcamarero@...il.com>, 
	full-disclosure <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: List of Fuzzers

Ouwha touche :)
you seems a bit pissed off don't you ?

2009/3/6 Rubén Camarero <rjcamarero@...il.com>

> You shut the hell up you piece of fucking garbage. You and the other trolls
> like to talk shit in a circle jerk fashion on this fucked up list, and
> others can talk it back. I've been following this shit excuse for a
> gathering of information by security "professionals" for a while now and I'm
> sure like everyone else I'm not the only one who tires of your bullshit you
> faceless prick.
>
> Come to orange county and talk shit and see if you don't get knocked the
> fuck out. No, you won't come? I'd just about buy your plane ticket if I knew
> you would not chicken out. Pussy. I've already got my job in CS so I don't
> have to hold anything back when I use my real name, unlike you retarded
> fucks.
>
> And for Mr. Kletnieks, Jeremy Brown, Nick FitzGerald, the cool guys @
> snosoft/netragard/whatever, all the other guys from the past, present, and
> future, and from me... I give a big, hugeee FUCK YOU. That FUCK YOU is also
> extended to the other trolls on this list, you've maid everyone's experience
> on the internet suck. Fuckups.
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Pete Licoln <pete.licoln@...il.com> wrote:
>
>> Ask Jeremy he's fuzzer-man !
>> http://www.canmag.com/images/front/movies2007/hotfuzzposter5.jpg
>>
>> 2009/3/6 <bobby.mugabe@...h.com>
>>
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>>> Dear list,
>>>
>>> Which fuzzer on this list will help me find the most security
>>> exploits?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> - -bm
>>>
>>> On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 18:37:01 -0500 Jeremy Brown
>>> <0xjbrown41@...il.com> wrote:
>>> >Don't act like you've gave any constructive advice to anyone in
>>> >your life.
>>> >
>>> >Thanks for trolling, please don't come again.
>>> >
>>> >On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Pete Licoln
>>> ><pete.licoln@...il.com> wrote:
>>> >> Ok cool, then keep it up Jeremy.
>>> >> At least you wont be able to say no one told you.
>>> >>
>>> >> 2009/3/6 Jeremy Brown <0xjbrown41@...il.com>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I consider you a loser, Pete/Julio/Loser.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Pete Licoln
>>> ><pete.licoln@...il.com> wrote:
>>> >>> > Well .. what i say is true.
>>> >>> > If you cant argue on the subject then shut the hell up.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 2009/3/6 Rubén Camarero <rjcamarero@...il.com>
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> Dont satisfy this idiot with a response, thats what he
>>> >likes..
>>> >>> >> Everybody
>>> >>> >> knows Petie is a troll on every list just use google
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Jeremy Brown
>>> ><0xjbrown41@...il.com>
>>> >>> >> wrote:
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> The reason anyone writes a fuzzer is to find bugs. Those
>>> >that I have
>>> >>> >>> written are of course for the same purpose as the 101
>>> >listed: to find
>>> >>> >>> security bugs. Your ideas are as meaningless and unhelpful
>>> >as they
>>> >>> >>> have been in the past. You have no goal but to troll and
>>> >try to make
>>> >>> >>> people look like fools, but you are clearly the ignorant
>>> >one.
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> What have you ever written? Let us see some of your code to
>>> >poke fun
>>> >>> >>> of. If it is as imperfect as you then we'd have a day of
>>> >fun.
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> >What's hilarious is that none of them are usefull :)
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> http://www.milw0rm.com/author/1531
>>> >>> >>> http://www.milw0rm.com/author/1835
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> 90% of the research above were found by fuzzing, and those
>>> >are public.
>>> >>> >>> Clearly my fuzzers are useful.
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> >You should really learn the protocol you want to fuzz, and
>>> >develop a
>>> >>> >>> >strategy before you create anything else.
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> Although mistakes are inevitable, and seeming how the stuff
>>> >I write
>>> >>> >>> are pretty coherent to the protocol, your statements, once
>>> >again, are
>>> >>> >>> unjustifiable. The strategy is simple: gather points of
>>> >input, fuzz
>>> >>> >>> them, and watch for exceptions. Obviously.
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> >Every fuzzer you've made use the SAME way to ""fuzz"" for
>>> >differents
>>> >>> >>> > app/protocol.
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> Because using a fuzzing oracle is a very good way to
>>> >identify security
>>> >>> >>> bugs. Throwing random data will surely find lots of
>>> >programming
>>> >>> >>> errors, but I want a shell.
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> > The only change i see is your last fuzzer .. written in a
>>> >different
>>> >>> >>> > language, but still the same way ...
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> Yeah, I wrote it in C, and implemented a fuzzing oracle
>>> >that way. I
>>> >>> >>> probably put 100 hours into it, and it gave back some nice
>>> >return. As
>>> >>> >>> like the others.
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> So, "what ever your real name is", I will continue to write
>>> >fuzzers
>>> >>> >>> and exploits. If you comments are meant to bend my attitude
>>> >or
>>> >>> >>> research rather than to troll, you don't have a chance, so
>>> >get on with
>>> >>> >>> your life and I will get on with mine. What a conclusion.
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Pete Licoln
>>> ><pete.licoln@...il.com>
>>> >>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>> >>> > What's hilarious is that none of them are usefull :)
>>> >>> >>> > You should really learn the protocol you want to fuzz,
>>> >and develop a
>>> >>> >>> > strategy before you create anything else.
>>> >>> >>> > Every fuzzer you've made use the SAME way to ""fuzz"" for
>>> >differents
>>> >>> >>> > app/protocol.
>>> >>> >>> >
>>> >>> >>> > The only change i see is your last fuzzer .. written in a
>>> >different
>>> >>> >>> > language, but still the same way ...
>>> >>> >>> >
>>> >>> >>> > 2009/3/5 Jeremy Brown <0xjbrown41@...il.com>
>>> >>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>> >> That is hilarious LOL!
>>> >>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>> >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Pete Licoln
>>> >>> >>> >> <pete.licoln@...il.com>
>>> >>> >>> >> wrote:
>>> >>> >>> >> > 11 fuzzers matchs for Jeremy Brown on this page LOL !
>>> >>> >>> >> >
>>> >>> >>> >> > 2009/3/5 Krakow Labs <krakowlabs@...il.com>
>>> >>> >>> >> >>
>>> >>> >>> >> >> Krakow Labs maintains a current list of security
>>> >driven fuzzing
>>> >>> >>> >> >> technologies.
>>> >>> >>> >> >>
>>> >>> >>> >> >> http://www.krakowlabs.com/lof.html
>>> >>> >>> >> >>
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