full-disclosure - Re: password.incleartext.com

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Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 19:58:23 +0100
From: Cal Leeming <cal@...whisper.co.uk>
To: Peter Osterberg <j@....nu>
Cc: full-disclosure <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>,
	Inc leartext <staff@...leartext.com>
Subject: Re: password.incleartext.com

Tbh, I'd be unhappy about any company storing a password in anything other
than a hash of itself. But, like many things in life, we have absolutely no
control over it, so best to just use a new pass for every external service
:)

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Peter Osterberg <j@....nu> wrote:

>  Security is relative and the pwd might be handled in a secure enough
> fashion compared to the value of the information it is protecting, even
> though it is stored in a reversable fashion. But I wouldn't, generally
> speaking, hesitate to claim that it isn't stored securely if it is
> reversable.
>
> Could you givd an example?
>
> ----- Ursprungsmeddelande -----
> > This isn't necessarily true - without knowledge of how the data may be
> > encrypted and what processes are involved in decrypting the data, one
> > can't make the "it isn't secure" statement.
> >
> > That being said, it is probably safe to argue that sites that do not
> > require PCI, SOX, HIPPA, etc would be less inclined to engage in this
> > level of security.  But that doesn't mean that it is not being done.
> >
> > t
> >
> > From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk
> > [mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk<full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk>]
> On Behalf Of Mario
> > Vilas Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:05 AM To: Romain Bourdy
> > Cc: full-disclosure; Inc leartext
> > Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] password.incleartext.com
> >
> > Actually, if they can get the data back (be it because it's stored in
> > plaintext or in obfuscated plaintext) then it's not secure. Obfuscation
> > doesn't make it more secure, or any less plaintext. On Wed, Apr 6, 2011
> > at 11:01 AM, Romain Bourdy
> > <achileos@...il.com<mailto:achileos@...il.com <achileos@...il.com>>>
> wrote: Hi
> > Full-Disclosure,
> >
> > Just my two cents but ... the fact they can give your password back
> > doesn't mean it's stored in cleartext, just that it's not hashed but
> > encrypted with some way to get the original data back, this doesn't mean
> > at all it's not secured, even though in most case it's not.
> >
> >  -Romain
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 1:36 PM,
> > <Maksim.Filenko@...b.com<mailto:Maksim.Filenko@...b.com<Maksim.Filenko@...b.com>>>
> wrote: Kinda
> > plaintextoffenders.com<http://plaintextoffenders.com>?
> >
> > wbr,
> >  - Max
> >
> > full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk<
> mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk<full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk>>
>
> > wrote on 01.04.2011 02:17:24:
> >
> > > Inc leartext <staff@...leartext.com<mailto:staff@...leartext.com<staff@...leartext.com>>>
>
> > > Sent by:
> > > full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk<
> mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk<full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk>>
>
> > >
> > > 01.04.2011 13:14
> > >
> > > To
> > >
> > > full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk<
> mailto:full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk<full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>>
>
> > >
> > > cc
> > >
> > > Subject
> > >
> > > [Full-disclosure]
> > > password.incleartext.com<http://password.incleartext.com&gt;
> > >
> > > Hi FD,
> > >
> > > Just launched a new website to keep a list of websites storing
> > > passwords in clear text, so far the database is small but feel free
> > > to add some:
> > > http://password.incleartext.com/
> >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Inc Leartext_______________________________________________
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