Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:14:46 -0500
From: Paul Schmehl <pschmehl_lists@...rr.com>
To: David Alanis <canito@...an.us>, full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: [OT] Obama said: "American people understand
 that not everybody's been following the rules"

Well, you've certainly got all the lefty cliches memorized.

The point is, while the stupid people's anger is directed at the rich, the 
government is the reason the rich are so prosperous.  When you allow the 
government to pick winners and losers, the rich will always prosper and the 
rest of us will not.  Stupid people blame one party.  Smart people see that 
the entire game is rigged and seek to throw ALL the bums out.

The real estate crisis was manufactured by government manipulation of the 
market.  The bank bailouts were approved by the government (both parties.) 
Yet you blame the rich.  Your misplaced blame will get you exactly nothing.

Here's just one reason why you're such a fool.

<http://www.nj.com/business/index.ssf/2010/02/nj_loses_70b_in_wealth_over_fo.html>

NJ lost 70 BILLION as the rich moved to other places.

Here's Donald Trump talking about rich people leaving the US because of the 
taxes.

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKHyLNvZwpI>

Will all the rich leave?  No.  Of course not. But every one that does takes 
untold wealth with them that is no longer available to be taxed.

What you don't seem to understand is these people take billions and 
billions of dollars and potential revenue for the government with them when 
they leave, and it won't come back until the country becomes sane again.

The problem isn't rich people.  It's a corrupt government populated by 
politicians who are playing favorites and enriching themselves and their 
favorites at our expense.  Until that stops, nothing will change.

Oh, and to answer your stupid questions - I could care less if Obama is a 
Muslim or not.  Obamacare already has the death panels in place.  Read the 
news.  Obama is clearly a socialist.  If you can't see that you're blind.

Here's a thought for you.  If we confiscated ALL the wealth of the 400 
richest people in America, it would cover the DEFICIT for one year.

<http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/mar/10/michael-moore/michael-moore-says-400-americans-have-more-wealth-/>

So how would you pay for NEXT year?

The problem isn't that we're not taxing the rich enough.  It's that our 
government is completely out of control and spending 40% more than it takes 
in.  The rich people can't save us from that insanity.
--On October 12, 2011 6:33:47 PM -0500 David Alanis <canito@...an.us> wrote:

> Quoting Paul Schmehl <pschmehl_lists@...rr.com>:
>
>> The thing these stupid people don't seem to get is that millionaires
>> and billionaires are the only ones that can afford to move elsewhere.
>
> You're an idiot.
>
> If you think that Obama is a Muslim, that Obama care will bring upon
> death panels, that Obama is a socialist, and that all millionaires and
> billionaires (including Thor), will move out just because they're
> called upon to pay more taxes and help America out of debt, you're an
> idiot.
>
> Please don't call me *stupid* just because you disagree with me
> politically.
>
> If you're not a millionaire or billionaire, how *would you know* that
> the 1% are packing getting ready to move?
>
> Did you pick this up from Fox News?
>
> (I won't respond to any of your response, I am done with this silly
> thread)
>
>> Tax them enough and they'll simply move to another country.  That's
>> already what's happening with corporations and with some individuals.
>> As their tax load increases, the incentive to simply move gets greater
>> and greater until one day they do.  Then their tax load goes to zero
>> and the money is gone forever.
>>
>> We've already seen these within the US, where millionaires are leaving
>> CA and NY for greener pastures.  If they leave the US entirely, they
>> won't be back.  Then who will the government get the money from?
>>
>> --On October 12, 2011 8:31:34 PM +0000 "Thor (Hammer of God)"
>> <thor@...merofgod.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, you said "nor do I care" so I too am confused.   However, since
>>> you did ask, there is an important aspect to your retort that you seem
>>> ok with dancing over, and that is the fact the "taxing millionaires and
>>> billionaires" would be *additional* taxes.   Mine won't go down, and in
>>> fact, will probably go up.   And I guarantee, without question and as
>>> definitely as the sun will rise tomorrow, when whatever "x" population
>>> is taxed more, and whatever "resolution" these people think will come
>>> from all of this noise, that they will CONTINUE to bitch and moan when
>>> other people have more than they do.
>>>
>>> The premise of "I am the 99%" or your use of "average" is specious.
>>> Average what?  Income?  No, that can't be it.  Education?  No, that's
>>> clearly not it.  Average tax payer?  Certainly not.   "Average" person
>>> bitching about how they don't have what they want and think it should
>>> magically be given to them?  Well, that's more like it, isn't it?
>>>
>>> The entire movement is a waste of time, and the "let them eat cake-ers"
>>> will find that out, as they always do, when they become the ones that
>>> have to start baking.
>>>
>>> The reason I posted the link is because it's freaking FUNNY to call out
>>> the ME-TOO'S!  Now if you'll excuse me, I must get back to my job so
>>> that I can try to afford the taxes taken out.
>>>
>>> t
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk
>>>> [mailto:full-disclosure- bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of David
>>>> Alanis
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:19 PM
>>>> To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
>>>> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [OT] Obama said: "American people
>>>> understand that not everybody's been following the rules"
>>>>
>>>> Quoting "Thor (Hammer of God)" <thor@...merofgod.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> No, it goes to show you how much most of the people bitching about
>>>>> all of this are full of shit, as per the oldie but goodie "Holiday
>>>>> in Cambodia" by the Dead Kennedy's.
>>>>>
>>>>> The people who REALLY need help are not the ones sitting around all
>>>>> day posting shite on the internet.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know where you're getting at or what political stance you take
>>>> nor do I care.
>>>>
>>>> If you don't think the people who are protesting against the greed of
>>>> wall street are average Americans, then you need help.
>>>>
>>>> Tell us then, since you cared enough to post a link trying to discredit
>>>> the anti- wall-street movement based on exifs. Who are the people who
>>>> need the help?
>>>>
>>>> Corporations? Cause I've heard opposing arguments by *average*
>>>> Americans that corporations are people.
>>>>
>>>> Last time I checked, Obama's Job Act gives even more tax breaks to
>>>> companies and extends unemployment benefits to *Americans* with out
>>>> jobs by taxing millionaires and billionaires.
>>>>
>>>> You have me confused.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk
>>>>>> [mailto:full-disclosure- bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> David Alanis
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:21 AM
>>>>>> To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [OT] Obama said: "American people
>>>>>> understand that not everybody's been following the rules"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Quoting "Thor (Hammer of God)" <thor@...merofgod.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > I saw this on FB and thought I would pass it along:
>>>>>> > http://99percentexif.tumblr.com/
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > It's the exif data from the photos the 99%'ers are posting -
>>>>>> > showing the $1000 systems, cameras, and software they are using to
>>>> post.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > t
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To me this goes to show right wing absurdity and the length they go
>>>>>> feed propaganda to the Fox News sheeople/believers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is the logic of the tumbler page anyway!?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you protest against rich filthy thieves you mustn't own a semi
>>>>>> decent camera?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its not a right but a privilege to own a nice camera, now.
>>>>>>
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>> Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst
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>> renounced the use of reason as to administer
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>> intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell
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Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst
As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions
are my own and not those of my employer.
*******************************************
"It is as useless to argue with those who have
renounced the use of reason as to administer
medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson
"There are some ideas so wrong that only a very
intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell

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