Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:59:26 +1100
From: "Ivan ." <ivanhec@...il.com>
To: "full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [OT] Obama said: "American people understand
 that not everybody's been following the rules"

don't feed the trolls

http://whatreallyhappened.com/

On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Laurelai <laurelai@...echan.org> wrote:

>  On 10/13/2011 7:11 PM, Christian Sciberras wrote:
>
> > So if they cause damage for profit that makes it ok?
>
>  No. But it's certainly better than doing damage without profit. Making
> profit means that at the end of the day, the money's going to go somewhere
> further in the chain.
> Flattening a tower, for instance, or attacking the local bank that refused
> to give you a loan because of the time you spent in a cell, isn't as
> productive.
> Neither is it making a company loose clients/profit just because they
> decided they don't want you to use their services (as if you did have a
> right in the first place...).
>
> So by your logic the civil disobedience that helped sparked the
> revolutionary war is worse than if someone had done the same acts just to
> drive up tea prices? Again I also remind you the trickle down theory doesn't
> work
>
>
>  > And yes I acknowledge the American public has a measure of
> responsibility in the situation too, human beings are by nature imperfect,
> but the largest share of responsibility lies with the names listed below.
>
>  The largest share? I can see Ex-president Bush trying to sell you a
> bottle of beer for $10 dollars ($7 profit). Wait, I can't.
>
>  But we did see him increase deregulation and allow this to happen, we
> also saw him provoke a war with another country based on a known lie for the
> sole purpose of gaining resources and more control in the middle east. We
> saw him legalize torture and saw him strip away a good chunk of our civil
> liberties so the anti terror industry could make a buck. But like you said
> its ok since someone is making money off of it. Who needs civil liberties
> anyways right?
>
> > That sort of thing has happened to me and I paid back every dime of it,
> most people are decent human beings and would do the same.
>
>  Most people? I could have sworn 90% of the people in the NYC subway would
> thank $deity if you suddenly dropped dead so they could get things off you.
> Call me cynical, but I wouldn't trust anyone else in such cases, other than
> myself.
>
>  Frankly 90% of people on this list would just thank $deity i suddenly
> dropped dead regardless of how much stuff i had :)
>
>
>  Regarding that list of yours, great! Now we just need a little more
> effort. For each of those persons, please enlighten us as to what they did
> legally wrong.
> Of course, the people that landed in jail shouldn't be counted. The "99%
> protest" is a modern one committed to change, it just can't right wrongs by
> pointing at jailed people.
>
>
> http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877339,00.html
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Laurelai <laurelai@...echan.org> wrote:
>
>>  On 10/13/2011 9:18 AM, Christian Sciberras wrote:
>>
>> I simply acknowledge the fact that some people work hard to get "obscenely
>> rich", but I just can't stand people that cause damage for the fun of it.
>>
>>   So if they cause damage for profit that makes it ok?
>>
>>  Yes, I stick for everyone that minds his business, instead of ruining
>> others' for the fun of it.
>>
>>  What bothers me is the fact that those hypocrites (protesters) are
>> crying out loud against some people they're highly envious of with the
>> excuse of "the depression".
>> Well, here's the news; the famous depression has been brought about by
>> these same people!
>>
>>
>>  And yes I acknowledge the American public has a measure of responsibility
>> in the situation too, human beings are by nature imperfect, but the largest
>> share of responsibility lies with the names listed below.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  If someone above is collecting free money because of incentives for
>> people to spend money (and which seem to work well), I can't blame him.
>>
>>   Yes because trickle down theory worked *so* well
>>
>>  How many times in your life have you paid back something you received by
>> mistake and which wasn't yours?
>> While I would foremost applaud anyone that would right such a wrong, I
>> just can't ignore the fact that those people out there representing the
>> "99%" are big-time hypocrites.
>>
>>  That sort of thing has happened to me and I paid back every dime of it,
>> most people are decent human beings and would do the same.
>>
>>
>>  On a different argument, since you seem to know well enough how some of
>> the 1% are doing immoral things, why don't you start by handing out names
>> instead of talking air just as the "99%" crowd has been doing up till now?
>>
>>  *Alan Greenspan, chairman of US Federal Reserve 1987- 2006
>> **Mervyn King, governor of the Bank of England
>> **Bill Clinton, former US president*
>> *Gordon Brown, prime minister*
>> *George W Bush, former US president*
>> *Senator Phil Gramm
>> **Abby Cohen, Goldman Sachs chief US strategist
>> **Kathleen Corbet, former CEO, Standard & Poor's
>> **"Hank" Greenberg, AIG insurance group
>> **Andy Hornby, former HBOS boss
>> **Steve Crawshaw, former B&B boss
>> **Adam Applegarth, former Northern Rock boss
>> **Dick Fuld, Lehman Brothers chief executive
>> **Ralph Cioffi and Matthew Tannin
>> **Lewis Ranieri
>> **Joseph Cassano, AIG Financial Products
>> **Chuck Prince, former Citi boss
>> **Angelo Mozilo, Countrywide Financial
>> **Stan O'Neal, former boss of Merrill Lynch*
>> *Jimmy Cayne, former Bear Stearns boss
>> **Christopher Dodd, chairman, Senate banking committee (Democrat)
>> **Geir Haarde, Icelandic prime minister
>> **John Tiner, FSA chief executive, 2003-07*
>>
>>
>> Oh yeah and lets not forget about this guy
>> http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877337,00.html
>> And while he is thankfully spending time in a prison cell, so many other
>> names on this list go free, in fact a good chunk of them made a profit off
>> of the disaster.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Oh and you didn't reply to any of my other points :)
>
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