Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:22:28 -0400
From: Jeffrey Walton <noloader@...il.com>
To: "Ivan ." <ivanhec@...il.com>
Cc: "full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [OT] Obama said: "American people understand
 that not everybody's been following the rules"

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:59 PM, Ivan . <ivanhec@...il.com> wrote:
> don't feed the trolls
>
> http://whatreallyhappened.com/
Don't forget http://www.collateralmurder.com/.

Its appalling the US pilots of the helicopter make a joke and laugh
when they shoot the children ("they shouldn't have brought their kids
to work", IIRC).

Jeff

> On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Laurelai <laurelai@...echan.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 10/13/2011 7:11 PM, Christian Sciberras wrote:
>>
>> > So if they cause damage for profit that makes it ok?
>> No. But it's certainly better than doing damage without profit. Making
>> profit means that at the end of the day, the money's going to go somewhere
>> further in the chain.
>> Flattening a tower, for instance, or attacking the local bank that refused
>> to give you a loan because of the time you spent in a cell, isn't as
>> productive.
>> Neither is it making a company loose clients/profit just because they
>> decided they don't want you to use their services (as if you did have a
>> right in the first place...).
>>
>> So by your logic the civil disobedience that helped sparked the
>> revolutionary war is worse than if someone had done the same acts just to
>> drive up tea prices? Again I also remind you the trickle down theory doesn't
>> work
>>
>> > And yes I acknowledge the American public has a measure of
>> > responsibility in the situation too, human beings are by nature imperfect,
>> > but the largest share of responsibility lies with the names listed below.
>> The largest share? I can see Ex-president Bush trying to sell you a bottle
>> of beer for $10 dollars ($7 profit). Wait, I can't.
>>
>> But we did see him increase deregulation and allow this to happen, we also
>> saw him provoke a war with another country based on a known lie for the sole
>> purpose of gaining resources and more control in the middle east. We saw him
>> legalize torture and saw him strip away a good chunk of our civil liberties
>> so the anti terror industry could make a buck. But like you said its ok
>> since someone is making money off of it. Who needs civil liberties anyways
>> right?
>>
>> > That sort of thing has happened to me and I paid back every dime of it,
>> > most people are decent human beings and would do the same.
>> Most people? I could have sworn 90% of the people in the NYC subway would
>> thank $deity if you suddenly dropped dead so they could get things off you.
>> Call me cynical, but I wouldn't trust anyone else in such cases, other
>> than myself.
>>
>> Frankly 90% of people on this list would just thank $deity i suddenly
>> dropped dead regardless of how much stuff i had :)
>>
>> Regarding that list of yours, great! Now we just need a little more
>> effort. For each of those persons, please enlighten us as to what they did
>> legally wrong.
>> Of course, the people that landed in jail shouldn't be counted. The "99%
>> protest" is a modern one committed to change, it just can't right wrongs by
>> pointing at jailed people.
>>
>> [SNIP]

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