Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 14:57:41 +0100
From: Jasper Kips <jasper@...netkips.nl>
To: "full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: <b>Where are you guys standing re: the (full)
	disclosure question?</b>

This is the address you are looking for:
https://cert.microsoft.com

Op 14 dec. 2013, om 06:03 heeft Pedro Luis Karrasquillo <peter_toyota@...mail.com> het volgende geschreven:

> Ok.
> Connect.microsoft.com is not accepting Server 2k8 DNS bugs, and I did not find a specific place in TechNet to report either. Felt like going in circles between MS Contact Us page and the connect.microsoft.com. 
> Maybe you are right, I may lack a certain level of patience... 
> Went ahead and started a chat session with MS support. It went like this:
> -------------------------
> 
> General Info 
> Chat start time  Dec 13, 2013 11:34:07 PM EST 
> Chat end time  Dec 13, 2013 11:46:23 PM EST 
> Duration (actual chatting time)  00:12:15 
> Operator  Germaine 
>  
> Chat Transcript 
> info: Please wait for an agent to respond.  You are currently '1' in the queue.
> info: Privacy Statement 
>  You are now chatting with 'Germaine'.
> Germaine: Thank you for contacting Microsoft Customer Service chat. This chat service is designed to assist you with site navigation, technical support case submission, and customer service questions.  
> Germaine: If you need technical support, I can provide you with your support options or help you submit your case to the appropriate support professional who can work with you to resolve your issue. 
> Germaine: How may I help you, Pedro?
> pedro: are you a human?
> Germaine: Yes, I am. How can I help you?
> pedro: i want to submit a bug report for Windows Server 2008 R2 DNS server
> pedro: it has a flaw
> Germaine: You have 2 options:
> Germaine: Either you submit it through our Microsoft Technet Forums or Connect.microsoft.com.
> pedro: connect.micro is not accepting bugs for 2008
> pedro: and technet has nowhere to submit bugs either. already checked.
> pedro: unless it is out of the way.. I am a security researcher. I plan to disclose.
> Germaine: Let me check my resources.
> Germaine: Reporting a bug, Pedro, can be through U.S. Mail, Support Incident and Product Feedback Tool.
> Germaine: For U.S Mail, mail your report to Attn: Development Group , Microsoft Corporation, One Microsoft Way, Redmond, WA 98052.
> Germaine: To use Support Incident, if you have a subscription with technical benefits, you may submit a case and our Support Professional will take a look at it.
> Germaine: For Product Feedback Tool, you may visi Windows Server 2008 R2 Product Support page and provide a feedback.
> Germaine: You may reach our Support professional by following this link: 
> Germaine: Submit an Incident - Online Assisted Support
> pedro: i do not have a subscription, sorry.
> Germaine: Well, you can do the other two options: U.S. Mail & Product Feedback Tool.
> pedro: I may have to just publish. I hate to see Windows DNS servers being used for DDoS attacks so easly, you know? With it being an easy fix and all.
> pedro: Thank you, Germaine.
> Germaine: You're welcome, Pedro.
> Germaine: If there's nothing else, I will close this session now.
> Germaine: Thank you for using Microsoft Customer Service chat.  
> Germaine: Have a good one, Pedro! 
> ----------------------
>  
> I read all of the responses to this thread so far and I appreciate all your opinions. 
> After the chat with MS rep, I feel like disclosing. For one, the bug is not a huge deal, just annoying that your server can be used to help in DDoS someone so easily, and two, MS did not seem interested in bugs for last gen products.
>  
> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 02:52:33 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] <b>Where are you guys standing re: the (full) disclosure question?</b>
> From: dieyu@...yu.org
> To: guninski@...inski.com
> CC: peter_toyota@...mail.com; full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
> 
> Q: 1. should I tell MS first?
> A: Microsoft is just a big company - there are good guys(my good friend was there), and there are bad guys(who think too much about money, etc). So, it's up to you whether you email secure@ms. Another factor: it can take months for a bug to be fixed(first MSRC checks it, then product team fixes it, then release - all steps take a lot of time). Guninski "give them a few seconds" - if you want to work with Microsoft, you got to be a little patient.
> 
> Q: 2. being this is possibly my first bug as a researcher, will this get me into trouble (legal or otherwise)?
> A: No, publishing before fix will not get you into trouble. Guninski "if they sue you" - they won't sue you(Guninski did it before on Microsoft products, and he is fine). 
> 
> Q: 3. will this make me a rock star?
> A: Ah, this depends on the impact.
> 
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> 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Georgi Guninski <guninski@...inski.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 10:02:55PM -0400, Pedro Luis Karrasquillo wrote:
> > Humans, Dwarves, Elves, Fairies and all free folk on this list:
> >
> > Meli Kalikimaka.
> >
> > I think I found a relatively small bug with Windows Server running DNS with recursion turned off, that still allows the server to be used for DDOS amplification attacks. There are a sizable number of these on the net, and I do not think operators realize that the server is not totally silent with recursion turned off.
> > I want to put my findings here on the list, as well as on my blog but I am unsure if :
> >
> > 1. should I tell MS first?
> 
> if you ask me definitely no.
> or at most give them a few seconds.
> 
> > 2. being this is possibly my first bug as a researcher, will this get me into trouble (legal or otherwise)?
> 
> if they sue you, I suppose this will make you a star for some time.
> 
> IANAL, so take care.
> 
> > 3. will this make me a rock star?
> >
> > I have details on the bug, as well as remediation steps. I would not say I "discovered" it per se, as I found it while studying an attack on a network I protect, but I do not see it documented anywhere either.
> >
> > What say you, Wise List Readers?
> >
> 
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