linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v6 00/15] memory-hotplug: hot-remove physical memory

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Date:	Fri, 1 Feb 2013 10:18:39 +0800
From:	Jianguo Wu <wujianguo@...wei.com>
To:	Simon Jeons <simon.jeons@...il.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 00/15] memory-hotplug: hot-remove physical memory

On 2013/2/1 10:06, Simon Jeons wrote:

> Hi Jianguo,
> On Fri, 2013-02-01 at 09:57 +0800, Jianguo Wu wrote:
>> On 2013/2/1 9:36, Simon Jeons wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 2013-02-01 at 09:32 +0800, Jianguo Wu wrote:
>>>> On 2013/1/31 18:38, Simon Jeons wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Tang,
>>>>> On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 17:44 +0800, Tang Chen wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Simon,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 01/31/2013 04:48 PM, Simon Jeons wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Tang,
>>>>>>> On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 15:10 +0800, Tang Chen wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. IIUC, there is a button on machine which supports hot-remove memory,
>>>>>>> then what's the difference between press button and echo to /sys?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No important difference, I think. Since I don't have the machine you are
>>>>>> saying, I cannot surely answer you. :)
>>>>>> AFAIK, pressing the button means trigger the hotplug from hardware, sysfs
>>>>>> is just another entrance. At last, they will run into the same code.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. Since kernel memory is linear mapping(I mean direct mapping part),
>>>>>>> why can't put kernel direct mapping memory into one memory device, and
>>>>>>> other memory into the other devices?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We cannot do that because in that way, we will lose NUMA performance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you know NUMA, you will understand the following example:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> node0:                    node1:
>>>>>>     cpu0~cpu15                cpu16~cpu31
>>>>>>     memory0~memory511         memory512~memory1023
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cpu16~cpu31 access memory16~memory1023 much faster than memory0~memory511.
>>>>>> If we set direct mapping area in node0, and movable area in node1, then
>>>>>> the kernel code running on cpu16~cpu31 will have to access 
>>>>>> memory0~memory511.
>>>>>> This is a terrible performance down.
>>>>>
>>>>> So if config NUMA, kernel memory will not be linear mapping anymore? For
>>>>> example, 
>>>>>
>>>>> Node 0  Node 1 
>>>>>
>>>>> 0 ~ 10G 11G~14G
>>>>>
>>>>> kernel memory only at Node 0? Can part of kernel memory also at Node 1?
>>>>>
>>>>> How big is kernel direct mapping memory in x86_64? Is there max limit?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Max kernel direct mapping memory in x86_64 is 64TB.
>>>
>>> For example, I have 8G memory, all of them will be direct mapping for
>>> kernel? then userspace memory allocated from where?
>>
>> Direct mapping memory means you can use __va() and pa(), but not means that them
>> can be only used by kernel, them can be used by user-space too, as long as them are free.
> 
> IIUC, the benefit of va() and pa() is just for quick get
> virtual/physical address, it takes advantage of linear mapping. But mmu
> still need to go through pgd/pud/pmd/pte, correct?

Yes.

> 

>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It seems that only around 896MB on x86_32. 
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As you know x86_64 don't need
>>>>>>> highmem, IIUC, all kernel memory will linear mapping in this case. Is my
>>>>>>> idea available? If is correct, x86_32 can't implement in the same way
>>>>>>> since highmem(kmap/kmap_atomic/vmalloc) can map any address, so it's
>>>>>>> hard to focus kernel memory on single memory device.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, I'm not quite familiar with x86_32 box.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. In current implementation, if memory hotplug just need memory
>>>>>>> subsystem and ACPI codes support? Or also needs firmware take part in?
>>>>>>> Hope you can explain in details, thanks in advance. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We need firmware take part in, such as SRAT in ACPI BIOS, or the firmware
>>>>>> based memory migration mentioned by Liu Jiang.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there any material about firmware based memory migration?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So far, I only know this. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 4. What's the status of memory hotplug? Apart from can't remove kernel
>>>>>>> memory, other things are fully implementation?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the main job is done for now. And there are still bugs to fix.
>>>>>> And this functionality is not stable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
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