linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v4 0/3] Compile-time stack frame pointer validation

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Date:	Thu, 21 May 2015 12:16:14 +0200
From:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>
To:	Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>
Cc:	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@...hat.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>, Michal Marek <mmarek@...e.cz>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>, X86 ML <x86@...nel.org>,
	live-patching@...r.kernel.org,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>,
	Denys Vlasenko <dvlasenk@...hat.com>,
	Brian Gerst <brgerst@...il.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@...llo.nl>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/3] Compile-time stack frame pointer validation


* Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de> wrote:

> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 11:25:37AM -0500, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> > > I've never quite understood what the '?' means.
> > 
> > It basically means "here's a function address we found on the stack,
> > which may or may not have been called."  It's needed because stack
> > walking isn't currently 100% reliable.
> 
> Yeah, that was not that trivial to figure out at the time:
> 
> unsigned long
> print_context_stack(struct thread_info *tinfo,
> 		...
> 
>                 if (__kernel_text_address(addr)) {
>                         if ((unsigned long) stack == bp + sizeof(long)) {
>                                 ops->address(data, addr, 1);
>                                 frame = frame->next_frame;
>                                 bp = (unsigned long) frame;
>                         } else {
>                                 ops->address(data, addr, 0);
>                         }
> 
> and that ops->address is
> 
> print_trace_address()
> |-> printk_stack_address()
> 
> So if I'm understanding this correctly, if rBP+8 is equal to rSP, i.e.
> return address is on the stack, then this frame got called.
> 
> Otherwise -> "?".
> 
> I might be missing something though...

So this is how we are printing backtraces on x86:

We always scan the full kernel stack for return addresses stored on 
the kernel stack(s) [*], from stack top to stack bottom, and print out 
anything that 'looks like' a kernel text address.

If it fits into the frame pointer chain, we print it without a 
question mark, knowing that it's part of the real backtrace.

If the address does not fit into our expected frame pointer chain we 
still print it, but we print a '?'. It can mean two things:

 - either the address is not part of the call chain: it's just stale
   values on the kernel stack, from earlier function calls. This is 
   the common case.

 - or it is part of the call chain, but the frame pointer was not set 
   up properly within the function, so we don't recognize it. See the 
   200+ assembly functions that Josh's build time validation found.

This way we will always print out the real call chain (plus a few more 
entries), regardless of whether the frame pointer was set up correctly 
or not - but in most cases we'll get the call chain right as well. The 
entries printed are strictly in stack order, so you can deduce more 
information from that as well.

The most important property of this method is that we _never_ lose 
information: we always strive to print _all_ addresses on the stack(s) 
that look like kernel text addresses, so if debug information is 
wrong, we still print out the real call chain as well - just with more 
question marks than ideal.

Thanks,

	Ingo

[*] For things like IRQ stacks and ISTs we also scan those stacks, in 
    the right order, and try to cross from one stack into another
    reconstructing the call chain. This works most of the time.

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