linux-kernel - Re: [RFC PATCHv2] usb: USB Type-C Connector Class

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Date:	Wed, 22 Jun 2016 14:19:17 +0300
From:	Heikki Krogerus <heikki.krogerus@...ux.intel.com>
To:	Oliver Neukum <oneukum@...e.com>
Cc:	Andy Shevchenko <andy.shevchenko@...il.com>,
	Rajaram R <rajaram.officemail@...il.com>,
	Felipe Balbi <felipe.balbi@...ux.intel.com>,
	Mathias Nyman <mathias.nyman@...ux.intel.com>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
	Guenter Roeck <linux@...ck-us.net>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-usb@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCHv2] usb: USB Type-C Connector Class

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 12:08:57PM +0200, Oliver Neukum wrote:
> On Wed, 2016-06-22 at 12:31 +0300, Heikki Krogerus wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> > > Now correct me, if I am misreading the spec. I am sure the system
> > > will boot unless it needs ridiculous amounts of power, but
> > > will we see anything on the screen? As far as I can tell the spec
> > > actually says that you cannot enter an alternate mode without having
> > > established a power contract.
> > > If we really leave entering modes up to user space, we have lost
> > > printk before getting into the initrd at the earliest.
> > 
> > With these boards, you will not see anything on the screen that is
> > attached to a Type-C connector until the OS has booted to the point
> > where it has negotiated the power contract and entered a mode.
> > 
> > If the system has BIOS/FW/EC capable of negotiating the power contract
> > and enter a mode, but where we still are expected to take over the
> > whole TCPM in OS, I think the connection will be reset.
> 
> Think about a DP over type C display with a USB PD power brick on a
> daisy chain.
> If the host needs more than 15W or more than 5V, a reset is suicide.

If the host needs more then 15W from Type-C to bootup, which does not
have enough capacitance the manage the renegotiation, I think will
always have only the FW interface (most likely UCSI) to deal with the
Type-C ports, if even that. The Thunderbolt3 controllers for example
don't give any details about or control over the Type-C ports to OS.
Though I think their firmwares may be made to support UCSI in the
future with some of them.

> And losing earlyprintk hurts a lot.
> This means we need USB PD statically in the kernel. And a kernel
> based policy that brings up all displays.

Yep.

I'm guessing these points are probable one of the major reason why the
control of the Type-C ports was made a responsibility of a discrete
microcontroller or the FW in general.


Thanks,

-- 
heikki