Date:	Tue, 5 Jun 2012 14:22:35 -0700
From:	Jerry Chu <hkchu@...gle.com>
To:	Damian Lukowski <damian@....rwth-aachen.de>
Cc:	Netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>,
	Ilpo Järvinen <ilpo.jarvinen@...sinki.fi>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] Revert Backoff [v3]: Calculate TCP's connection close
 threshold as a time value.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Damian Lukowski
<damian@....rwth-aachen.de> wrote:
> Am Dienstag, den 05.06.2012, 10:42 -0700 schrieb Jerry Chu:
>> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Jerry Chu <hkchu@...gle.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Damian,
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Damian Lukowski
>> > <damian@....rwth-aachen.de> wrote:
>> >> Hi Jerry,
>> >>
>> >> please verify, I understood you correctly.
>> >>
>> >> You have set TCP_RTO_MIN to a lower value, e.g. 0.002 seconds to improve
>> >> your internal low-latency traffic. Because of the improvement, R1
>> >> timeouts are triggered too fast for external high-RTT traffic. Is that
>> >> correct?
>> >
>> > Correct.
>> >
>> >> If so, may I suggest to set tcp_retries1 to a higher value? For
>> >> TCP_RTO_MIN == 0.002 and tcp_retries1 ==  10, R1 will be calculated to
>> >> approximately 4 seconds.
>> >
>> > I think hacking tcp_retries1 is the wrong solution. E.g., 10 retries may be too
>> > generous for those short RTT flows.
>> >
>> > I think the fundamental problem is - the ideal fix for your original RTO revert
>> > problem should've used the per-flow RTO to compute R1 & R2. But that
>> > computation may be too expensive so you used TCP_RTO_MIN as an
>> > approximation - not a good idea IMHO!
>>
>> Just realized the correct fix of using the original, non-backoff per flow RTO is
>> not any more expensive than the current code through ilog2(). What's needed
>> is a new field "base_rto" to record the original RTO before backoff. I'm leaning
>> toward this more accurate fix now without any fudge because fudging almost
>> always causes bugs.
>
>
> The current version of retransmits_timed_out() uses such a field
> already. I suppose, we can do a combination like the following?
>
> -       unsigned int rto_base = syn_set ? TCP_TIMEOUT_INIT : TCP_RTO_MIN;
> +       unsigned int rto_base = syn_set ? TCP_TIMEOUT_INIT : __tcp_set_rto(tcp_sk(sk));

Yes that could work and we probably don't need a new field for the original RTO.

But I started wondering what the problem you tried to solve initially. The old
counter (icsk_retransmits) based code was really easy to understand, debug, and
matched well with the API (sysctl_tcp_retries1, sysctl_tcp_retries2,
TCP_SYNCNT,...), which are all counter based. Moreover, my simple brain has
a strong prejudice against complex code unless the complexity is justified.

Could you point out where backoff revert might happen? (tcp_v4_err() when
handing ICMP errors?) And for those cases is it possible to either not increment
icsk_retransmits (as long as it won't get us into infinite
retransmissions), or invent
a separate field for the sole purpose of timeout check? Won't that be
much simpler
than your current fix?

Best,

Jerry

> +       rto_base = rto_base ? : TCP_RTO_MIN;
>
> -       if (!inet_csk(sk)->icsk_retransmits)
> +       if (inet_csk(sk)->icsk_retransmits < boundary)
>
>
> Regards
>  Damian
>
>>
>> Any comment is welcome. I'm not sure in the existing code if it makes sense
>> to apply the exponential backoff based computation to thin stream but it's a
>> separate question so I won't touch it.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> >
>> > The easiest solution I can see so far is to replace the check
>> >
>> > if (!inet_csk(sk)->icsk_retransmits)
>> >                return false;
>> >
>> > at the beginning of retransmits_timed_out() with
>> >
>> > if (inet_csk(sk)->icsk_retransmits < boundary)
>> >                return false;
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Jerry
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Is that ok?
>> >>
>> >> Best regards
>> >>  Damian
>> >>
>> >> Am Freitag, den 01.06.2012, 15:58 -0700 schrieb Jerry Chu:
>> >>> > From: Damian Lukowski <damian@....rwth-aachen.de>
>> >>> > Date: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:16 AM
>> >>> > Subject: [PATCH 3/3] Revert Backoff [v3]: Calculate TCP's connection close
>> >>> > threshold as a time value.
>> >>> > To: Netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > RFC 1122 specifies two threshold values R1 and R2 for connection timeouts,
>> >>> > which may represent a number of allowed retransmissions or a timeout value.
>> >>> > Currently linux uses sysctl_tcp_retries{1,2} to specify the thresholds
>> >>> > in number of allowed retransmissions.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > For any desired threshold R2 (by means of time) one can specify tcp_retries2
>> >>> > (by means of number of retransmissions) such that TCP will not time out
>> >>> > earlier than R2. This is the case, because the RTO schedule follows a fixed
>> >>> > pattern, namely exponential backoff.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > However, the RTO behaviour is not predictable any more if RTO backoffs can
>> >>> > be
>> >>> > reverted, as it is the case in the draft
>> >>> > "Make TCP more Robust to Long Connectivity Disruptions"
>> >>> > (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zimmermann-tcp-lcd).
>> >>> >
>> >>> > In the worst case TCP would time out a connection after 3.2 seconds, if the
>> >>> > initial RTO equaled MIN_RTO and each backoff has been reverted.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > This patch introduces a function retransmits_timed_out(N),
>> >>> > which calculates the timeout of a TCP connection, assuming an initial
>> >>> > RTO of MIN_RTO and N unsuccessful, exponentially backed-off retransmissions.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Whenever timeout decisions are made by comparing the retransmission counter
>> >>> > to some value N, this function can be used, instead.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > The meaning of tcp_retries2 will be changed, as many more RTO
>> >>> > retransmissions
>> >>> > can occur than the value indicates. However, it yields a timeout which is
>> >>> > similar to the one of an unpatched, exponentially backing off TCP in the
>> >>> > same
>> >>> > scenario. As no application could rely on an RTO greater than MIN_RTO, there
>> >>> > should be no risk of a regression.
>> >>>
>> >>> This looks like a typical "fix one problem, introducing a few more" patch :(.
>> >>> What do you mean by "no application could rely on an RTO greater than
>> >>> MIN_RTO..."
>> >>> above? How can you make the assumption that RTO is not too far off
>> >>> from TCP_RTO_MIN?
>> >>>
>> >>> While you tried to address a problem where the retransmission count
>> >>> was high but the actual
>> >>> timeout duration was too short, have you considered the other case
>> >>> around, i.e., the timeout
>> >>> duration is long but the retransmission count is too short? This is
>> >>> exactly what's happening
>> >>> to us with your patch. We've much reduced TCP_RTO_MIN for our internal
>> >>> traffic, but not
>> >>> noticing your change has severely shortened the R1 & R2 recommended by
>> >>> RFC1122 for our
>> >>> long haul traffic until now. In many cases R1 threshold was met upon
>> >>> the first retrans timeout.
>> >>>
>> >>> I think retransmits_timed_out() should check against both time
>> >>> duration and retrans count
>> >>> (icsk_retransmits).
>> >>>
>> >>> Thought?
>> >>>
>> >>> Jerry
>> >>>
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Signed-off-by: Damian Lukowski <damian@....rwth-aachen.de>
>> >>> > ---
>> >>> >  include/net/tcp.h    |   18 ++++++++++++++++++
>> >>> >  net/ipv4/tcp_timer.c |   11 +++++++----
>> >>> >  2 files changed, 25 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
>> >>> >
>> >>> > diff --git a/include/net/tcp.h b/include/net/tcp.h
>> >>> > index c35b329..17d1a88 100644
>> >>> > --- a/include/net/tcp.h
>> >>> > +++ b/include/net/tcp.h
>> >>> > @@ -1247,6 +1247,24 @@ static inline struct sk_buff
>> >>> > *tcp_write_queue_prev(struct sock *sk, struct sk_bu
>> >>> >  #define tcp_for_write_queue_from_safe(skb, tmp, sk)                    \
>> >>> >        skb_queue_walk_from_safe(&(sk)->sk_write_queue, skb, tmp)
>> >>> >
>> >>> > +static inline bool retransmits_timed_out(const struct sock *sk,
>> >>> > +                                        unsigned int boundary)
>> >>> > +{
>> >>> > +       int limit, K;
>> >>> > +       if (!inet_csk(sk)->icsk_retransmits)
>> >>> > +               return false;
>> >>> > +
>> >>> > +       K = ilog2(TCP_RTO_MAX/TCP_RTO_MIN);
>> >>> > +
>> >>> > +       if (boundary <= K)
>> >>> > +               limit = ((2 << boundary) - 1) * TCP_RTO_MIN;
>> >>> > +       else
>> >>> > +               limit = ((2 << K) - 1) * TCP_RTO_MIN +
>> >>> > +                       (boundary - K) * TCP_RTO_MAX;
>> >>> > +
>> >>> > +       return (tcp_time_stamp - tcp_sk(sk)->retrans_stamp) >= limit;
>> >>> > +}
>> >>> > +
>> >>> >  static inline struct sk_buff *tcp_send_head(struct sock *sk)
>> >>> >  {
>> >>> >        return sk->sk_send_head;
>> >>> > diff --git a/net/ipv4/tcp_timer.c b/net/ipv4/tcp_timer.c
>> >>> > index a3ba494..2972d7b 100644
>> >>> > --- a/net/ipv4/tcp_timer.c
>> >>> > +++ b/net/ipv4/tcp_timer.c
>> >>> > @@ -137,13 +137,14 @@ static int tcp_write_timeout(struct sock *sk)
>> >>> >  {
>> >>> >        struct inet_connection_sock *icsk = inet_csk(sk);
>> >>> >        int retry_until;
>> >>> > +       bool do_reset;
>> >>> >
>> >>> >        if ((1 << sk->sk_state) & (TCPF_SYN_SENT | TCPF_SYN_RECV)) {
>> >>> >                if (icsk->icsk_retransmits)
>> >>> >                        dst_negative_advice(&sk->sk_dst_cache);
>> >>> >                retry_until = icsk->icsk_syn_retries ? :
>> >>> > sysctl_tcp_syn_retries;
>> >>> >        } else {
>> >>> > -               if (icsk->icsk_retransmits >= sysctl_tcp_retries1) {
>> >>> > +               if (retransmits_timed_out(sk, sysctl_tcp_retries1)) {
>> >>> >                        /* Black hole detection */
>> >>> >                        tcp_mtu_probing(icsk, sk);
>> >>> >
>> >>> > @@ -155,13 +156,15 @@ static int tcp_write_timeout(struct sock *sk)
>> >>> >                        const int alive = (icsk->icsk_rto < TCP_RTO_MAX);
>> >>> >
>> >>> >                        retry_until = tcp_orphan_retries(sk, alive);
>> >>> > +                       do_reset = alive ||
>> >>> > +                                  !retransmits_timed_out(sk, retry_until);
>> >>> >
>> >>> > -                       if (tcp_out_of_resources(sk, alive ||
>> >>> > icsk->icsk_retransmits < retry_until))
>> >>> > +                       if (tcp_out_of_resources(sk, do_reset))
>> >>> >                                return 1;
>> >>> >                }
>> >>> >        }
>> >>> >
>> >>> > -       if (icsk->icsk_retransmits >= retry_until) {
>> >>> > +       if (retransmits_timed_out(sk, retry_until)) {
>> >>> >                /* Has it gone just too far? */
>> >>> >                tcp_write_err(sk);
>> >>> >                return 1;
>> >>> > @@ -385,7 +388,7 @@ void tcp_retransmit_timer(struct sock *sk)
>> >>> >  out_reset_timer:
>> >>> >        icsk->icsk_rto = min(icsk->icsk_rto << 1, TCP_RTO_MAX);
>> >>> >        inet_csk_reset_xmit_timer(sk, ICSK_TIME_RETRANS, icsk->icsk_rto,
>> >>> > TCP_RTO_MAX);
>> >>> > -       if (icsk->icsk_retransmits > sysctl_tcp_retries1)
>> >>> > +       if (retransmits_timed_out(sk, sysctl_tcp_retries1 + 1))
>> >>> >                __sk_dst_reset(sk);
>> >>> >
>> >>> >  out:;
>> >>> > --
>> >>> > 1.6.3.3
>> >>> >
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