Date:	Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:22:35 +0200
From:	Wilco Baan Hofman <wilco@...nhofman.nl>
To:	nicolas.dichtel@...nd.com
Cc:	netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: ECMP ipv6 vs ipv4

On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 16:14 +0200, Nicolas Dichtel wrote:
> Le 17/04/2013 15:16, Wilco Baan Hofman a écrit :
> > On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 11:03 +0200, Nicolas Dichtel wrote:
> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I propose that we have a nexthop structure to an exclusive route,
> >>>>> similar what we have for IPv4, where we store the gateway, device and
> >>>>> weight for all nexthops and the algorithm in the route. This would make
> >>>>> the netlink API symmetrical again and fixes the n*n inefficiencies when
> >>>>> adding routes (all siblings need to know about all siblings).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What are your thoughts on this?
> >> The pro of the current implementation is that you can add or delete a nexthop
> >> withtout removing the whole route. You don't need to list again all nexthops
> >> each time you want to modify one.
> >
> > That would also be possible using ip -6 route change, it'll be more
> > efficient for insertions and more consistent with the IPv4
> > implementation. Remember that most code is in fact shared between IPv4
> > and IPv6 implementations for routing protocol suites.
> >
> > For bird it would be much more convenient to have the same API work for
> > both as the code is shared (with minor differences).
> >
> > The memory structure like below would make sense and you can expand it
> > as well:
> >
> > struct ip6_nexthop {
> > 	int               flags; /* algorithm per packet or hash, etc */
> > 	struct list_head  *hops; /* nh_via */
> > };
> > struct ip6_nh {
> > 	int              ifindex;
> > 	struct in6_addr  rt6i_gateway;
> > 	char             weight;
> > 	int              flags; /* pervasive, onlink */
> > };
> >
> > I'm not sure how to make this map correctly to the append API.. I think
> > we need to make sure that all APIs either are consistent and symmetrical
> > or don't work from day 1.
> Maybe the error was to propose two API to insert ECMPv6 routes, but as soon as 
> there is two API, one will not be symetric with what is returned by the kernel ;-)

Yeah, I'm not a fan, especially when it doesn't map 1:1 with what's
going on.


> >
> > I am willing to implement this, including algorithm support using the
> > netlink nexthop API, like the IPv4 implementation.. or change the IPv4
> > implementation, but either way I feel they need to be consistent.
> I'm not sure that this is a major argument. There is already differences between 
> IPv4 and IPv6 (for example, IPv4 addresses are kept when an interface is down, 
> not IPv6 addresses, netlink messages are sent when routes are removed after 
> putting down an interface in IPv6 but not in IPv4). But I let other speak about 
> this.

I would prefer to have fewer differences between IPv4 and IPv6 handling
instead of more, unless the RFCs demand different behaviour.

> What is important is to avoid breaking existing API.
> 

I sort of agree, but quagga support is on hold until this is resolved,
and bird does not support it properly until we resolve this. The latter
I intend to fix myself and I am in contact with Quagga developers.
Static via iproute is a slightly different story though.


If no-one else comments, I'll start on writing a patch to support the
netlink nexthop API with weights and per-packet and weighted hash
algorithms on an exclusive route. I'll also see if I can support ip
route append if nexthop is specified to add a nexthop to the list, but
this shall be a different patch and it may not map well.

I would like to hear some more thoughts on this though.


Wilco Baan Hofman

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