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Date:   Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:18:07 +0100
From:   Jiri Pirko <jiri@...nulli.us>
To:     Ido Schimmel <idosch@...sch.org>
Cc:     Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@...il.com>, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
        davem@...emloft.net, vivien.didelot@...oirfairelinux.com,
        andrew@...n.ch
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 0/4] net: switchdev: Avoid sleep in atomic with
 DSA

Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 02:25:06PM CET, idosch@...sch.org wrote:
>On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 01:08:46PM +0100, Jiri Pirko wrote:
>> Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 10:14:36PM CET, idosch@...sch.org wrote:
>> >On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 12:56:48PM -0800, Florian Fainelli wrote:
>> >> On 01/09/2017 12:48 PM, Ido Schimmel wrote:
>> >> > Hi Florian,
>> >> > 
>> >> > On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 11:44:59AM -0800, Florian Fainelli wrote:
>> >> >> Hi all,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This patch series is to resolve a sleeping function called in atomic context
>> >> >> debug splat that we observe with DSA.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Let me know what you think, I was also wondering if we should just always
>> >> >> make switchdev_port_vlan_fill() set SWITCHDEV_F_DEFER, but was afraid this
>> >> >> could cause invalid contexts to be used for rocker, mlxsw, i40e etc.
>> >> > 
>> >> > Isn't this a bit of overkill? All the drivers you mention fill the VLAN
>> >> > dump from their cache and don't require sleeping. Even b53 that you
>> >> > mention in the last patch does that, but reads the PVID from the device,
>> >> > which entails taking a mutex.
>> >> 
>> >> Correct.
>> >> 
>> >> > 
>> >> > Can't you just cache the PVID as well? I think this will solve your
>> >> > problem. Didn't look too much into the b53 code, so maybe I'm missing
>> >> > something. Seems that mv88e6xxx has a similar problem.
>> >> 
>> >> I suppose we could indeed cache the PVID for b53, but for mv88e6xxx it
>> >> seems like we need to perform a bunch of VTU operations, and those
>> >> access HW registers, Andrew, Vivien, how do you want to solve that, do
>> >> we want to introduce a general VLAN cache somewhere in switchdev/DSA/driver?
>> >
>> >Truth be told, I don't quite understand why switchdev infra even tries
>> >to dump the VLANs from the device. Like, in which situations is this
>> >going to be different from what the software bridge reports? Sure, you
>> >can set the VLAN filters with SELF and skip the software bridge, but how
>> >does that make sense in a model where you want to reflect the software
>> >datapath?
>> 
>> But the vlans added by rtnl_bridge_setlink & SELF are not tracked by the
>> bridge and therefore driver needs to dump them. You would have to pass
>> some flag down to driver when adding SWITCHDEV_OBJ_ID_PORT_VLAN
>> indicating the need to track the vlan and dump it. Right?
>
>Right, but back to my question - what's the use case for the SELF flag
>in the switchdev model? Why would I configure a VLAN filter in the
>hardware but not in the software bridge? The whole point is reflecting
>the software bridge to the hardware.

I agree. For the bridge-switchdev usecase, I don't see a reason to use
SELF for vlans as well. Do you suggest to simply remove this possibility?