netdev - Re: [RFC iproute2 0/8] RDMA tool

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Date:   Thu, 4 May 2017 22:42:42 +0300
From:   Leon Romanovsky <leon@...nel.org>
To:     Dennis Dalessandro <dennis.dalessandro@...el.com>
Cc:     Bart Van Assche <Bart.VanAssche@...disk.com>,
        "jiri@...lanox.com" <jiri@...lanox.com>,
        "linux-rdma@...r.kernel.org" <linux-rdma@...r.kernel.org>,
        "ram.amrani@...ium.com" <ram.amrani@...ium.com>,
        "sagi@...mberg.me" <sagi@...mberg.me>,
        "ogerlitz@...lanox.com" <ogerlitz@...lanox.com>,
        "hch@....de" <hch@....de>,
        "netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        "jgunthorpe@...idianresearch.com" <jgunthorpe@...idianresearch.com>,
        "stephen@...workplumber.org" <stephen@...workplumber.org>,
        "dledford@...hat.com" <dledford@...hat.com>,
        "ariela@...lanox.com" <ariela@...lanox.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC iproute2 0/8] RDMA tool

On Thu, May 04, 2017 at 03:26:13PM -0400, Dennis Dalessandro wrote:
> On 05/04/2017 02:45 PM, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> > On Thu, May 04, 2017 at 06:30:27PM +0000, Bart Van Assche wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2017-05-04 at 21:25 +0300, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> > > > On Thu, May 04, 2017 at 06:10:54PM +0000, Bart Van Assche wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 2017-05-04 at 21:02 +0300, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> > > > > > Following our discussion both in mailing list [1] and at the LPC 2016 [2],
> > > > > > we would like to propose this RDMA tool to be part of iproute2 package
> > > > > > and finally improve this situation.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello Leon,
> > > > >
> > > > > Although I really appreciate your work: can you clarify why you would like to
> > > > > add *RDMA* functionality to an *IP routing* tool? I haven't found any motivation
> > > > > for adding RDMA functionality to iproute2 in [1].
> > > >
> > > > We are planning to reuse the same infrastructure provided by iproute2,
> > > > like netlink parsing, access to distributions, same CLI and same standards.
> > > >
> > > > Right now, RDMA is already tightened to netdev: iWARP, RoCE, IPoIB, HFI-VNIC.
> > > > Many drivers (mlx, qed, i40, cxgb) are sharing code between net and
> > > > RDMA.
> > > >
> > > > I do expect that iproute2 will be installed on every machine with any
> > > > type of connection, including IB and OPA.
> > > >
> > > > So I think that it is enough to be part of that suite and don't invent
> > > > our own for one specific tool.
> > >
> > > Hello Leon,
> > >
> > > Sorry but to me that sounds like a weak argument for including RDMA functionality
> > > in iproute2. There is already a library for communication over netlink sockets,
> > > namely libnl. Is there functionality that is in iproute2 but not in libnl and
> > > that is needed for the new tool? If so, have you considered to create a new
> > > library for that functionality?
> >
> > It is not hard to create new tool, the hardest part is to ensure that it is
> > part of the distributions. Did you count how many months we are trying to
> > add rdma-core to debian?
>
> I do agree that it is a strange pairing and am not really a fan. However at
> the end of the day it's just a name for a repo/package. If the iproute folks
> are fine to include rdma in their repo/package, great we can leverage their
> code for CLI and other common stuff.
>
> Now if the interface was something like "ip -FlagForRdma ..." I would object
> to that, but the interface is "rdma ... " so from users perspective it's
> different tools. They don't need to care that it was sourced from a common
> git repo.
>
> Just as an aside this already works a bit with OPA:
>
>  $ ./rdma link
> 1/1: hfi1_0/1: ifname NONE cap_mask 0x00410022 lid 0x1 lid_mask_count 0
> link_layer InfiniBand
>          phys_state 5: LinkUp rate 100 Gb/sec (4X EDR) sm_lid 0x1 sm_sl 0
> state 4: ACTIVE
>
> Leon I'll get you more feedback and testing, I've just been really bogged
> down this week, sorry.

Thanks Denny,

Before you are starting to test it, can you please provide your feedback
on my initial questions? Usability and need of sysfs.

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This is initial phase to understand if user experience for this tool fits
RDMA and netdev communities exepectations. Also I would like to get feedback
if it is really worth to provide legacy sysfs for old kernels, or maybe I should
implement netlink from the beginning and abandon sysfs completely.
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P.S. I believe this will give you wrong output, because it parses IB port cap_mask.
$./rdma link show hfi1_0/1 cap_mask

Thanks

>
> -Denny
>
>
>

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