phc-discussions - Re: [PHC] Security concern for Catena

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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 20:34:10 -0500
From: Bill Cox <waywardgeek@...il.com>
To: discussions@...sword-hashing.net
Subject: Re: [PHC] Security concern for Catena

On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:54 AM, Bill Cox <waywardgeek@...il.com> wrote:

> I don't understand why, and I am concerned I wont like the answer when I
> do, but NoelKDF now runs even faster, when it really should be slower.
>

I figured out why the in-page randomization made it faster.  It's because
some sub-sequences of values are accessed more than once and others not at
all.  When parallelism is set to the cache line size or more, whole cache
lines are never accessed within a page hash, speeding it up a lot.  The
edges are supposed to be random, and this is a result of that.  If I wanted
a random-ish permutation instead, Catena's bit-reversal works.  I need to
figure out how to keep the speed up from the missing cache lines, without
making the user set parallelism to 64 or more to get it, since that opens
him up to GPU attacks.  It should be a minor tweak...

Bill

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