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Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.4.44.0208200906580.176785-100000@hexeris> From: aliver at xexil.com (aliver@...il.com) Subject: NY State of Mind ;) On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, sockz loves you wrote: > Hi fad3r. > your email made me laff lotz. :) > but it also made me sad in places. :( Hey there sockz. I think that we are very likely dealing with the same individual as "fuk@...hmail.com". If not, then he's the same kind of fella. I see the same patterns. Too much testosterone coming out in the references to physical violence and "getting laid". Next he'll likely be making personal attacks and talking in pseudo-gibberish with bad formatting. > misinformed people will say that capitalism is every- thing communism is > not, and that if you dont like capitalism then you must be a communist. These days the term "communist" has fallen out of fashion. They usually call you a "terrorist" now. > i thought long and hard about how to present this whole argument in a > clear and concise manner that ppl with no understanding of politics > could grasp. A noble effort, but I think you put too much faith in this guy's ability to understand and willingness to comprehend. After all, this is someone who wishes he could just beat up the people he disagrees with. > and 'capitalism is part of freedom'? hahahah. please... > A. of course the entire thing will prolly be palmed off as > "anti-american propaganda", and my point will be lost, but hey, you get > that. I agree with you on a few points, and I think a few others (like the part about capitalism causing repression) is a bit oversimplified. However, you may have been attempting to compensate for your audience. In this case, I can understand. I'd expand what you said to say that corporatism, greed, and individual selfish ignorance is what results in much repression. In today's terms that often is synonymous with capitalism. However, that wasn't the founding fathers intention, and today's system and set of laws can be effectively seen as a "patch" to circumvent the vision that Jefferson and others tried to materialize. Microsoft, for example, obviously has a very hard time with the concept of "a fair field with no favors". We have tons of laws like the DCMA and other which effectively bypass the original intention of the bill of rights, and have the effect of a cigarette lighter under the intention preamble (yes, I realize that isn't law, but it's the _spirit_ that we've lost). What I think is ironic, is that often times hackers are classically liberal folks who understand the real spirit of the founding father's vision. They are disillusioned with our current system of greed and repression. Those of us who have ethics, might even be willing to stand up for them in the face of laws and corporate "ethics" that say "you no come here! irregal!" > > B) They also seem to be whining about the term hacker. We hack you hack > > I hack. Who cares? So the whitehats are security professionals. Does > > the definition of a word mean so much you whine and complain like little > > kids? Silly rabbit TRIX are for kids ;) > cute. almost as cute and silly as whitehats who call themselves hackers. > kinda like a 4yo child saying "i'm a doctor". Oh yeah. It's clear that the term "hacker" is something that whitehats hate to try to unequivocate with their own lifestyle, skills, and "ethics". Tell a person that he's acting like a whitehat and not a hacker and he get's pissed pretty fast. I think it's because they care so much about their image that they want to be able to tell others (usually non-technical folks) that they are hackers and invoke some kind of mystique or respect associated with the term. > > C) I live in NYC and I would be happy to find a vacant parking > > lot where we can all gather and beat the shit out of each other. > that'd be cool. let me know when you do organise something like that, > i'll bring some friends along and we can beat the shit out of each other > together. RUMBLE IN THE BRONX. Sorry, I had to say that. Anyway, I don't think I'd be up for that. Aside from being a hell of a long way from New York, I'm pretty sure that non-coding, self-important, jerkish meathead whitehats outnumber folks like me 100 to 1 (at least). Whoa. I just got a weird vision of the old 70's flick "The Warriors". Remember that.. ? [snip inane comment about strippers + more "getting laid" crap] > dunno if this is what you call fun but i kinda grew out of that shit > when i was 15. perhaps this explains fundamental differences between > the way you and i think about the world. Yeah, I think you are right. This dude's mentality that the world revolves around being a "tough guy" and "getting laid" pretty much says it all. Next I'm expecting some flames back about how skinny-wussies like me (or maybe he'll flame, you this time, I dunno) are too busy living at home with their mother, flipping burgers, quaking in fear at his threats, and wishing we could "get laid". > > At the very least this should lower the testosterone level of > > his list. It's funny that he says this after all the references to sex and violence. WTF ever. > heh, i can think of a million other ways, but a lot of them involve > "your mother" jokes, and as amusing as that is for a nanosecond, i cant > be bothered to be that pathetic. Well, when you get some flame back and comments about how "he spanked you" and how the next time will be "far more RUTHLESSLY", you can rest assured that I, for one, won't be paying much attention. You last comment about not being "bothered to be that pathetic" is just about spot-on. > > love fad3r ;) > okay yeah no thanks Yep, count me outta that group hug as well. aliver
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