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Message-ID: <NMRC.666.6.66.0208251713340.23036-100000@www.nmrc.org> From: hellnbak at nmrc.org (hellNbak) Subject: Of course you guys support full-disclosure On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 rfp_the_ripper@...hmail.com wrote: > members. Gweeds was misassociated by Thomas Greene > who learned that Gweeds had a shell on eurocompton.net, > which is not an ~el8 machine (one of its users merely > provided an ~el8 mirror and hosted the PHC site there). > A lot of people have a shell have this machine; it's like > an EFNet hobbiton.org. Silvio misrepresented ~el8 > at Defcon by wearing an ~el8 t-shirt. If you saw the > greyhat-IS-whitehat.txt on the PHC website, you'd learn > that silvio from Qualys was named an ~el8 poser. It is pretty easy to say "Oh that guy isn't a member -- he just wore a t-shirt." But, we all know where JimJones worked until he returned to school (or whatever) and perception can be everything these days..... so standing on a stage wearing a t-shirt preaching the word of el8/PHC makes a pretty convincing argument doesn't it? > I hear the ezine is published by one or two guys. OK, well that is different than what I have heard/been told. But does anyone really care? > You ran your mouth to Brian McWilliams for his Wired > article, making that comment about them not being scriptkids, > and then when attacked for that comment on this list, > you informed us that you have worked with these guys in the > past and know their skillset. Yet, why is it that no ~el8 > member knows you as being anything more than The VulnWatch > Guy or The NMRC Guy? This was based on the assumption that various people who claim to be PHC/el8/Project Mayhem are actually that. Seeing how no one is willing to stand up and use their real names (no balls?) I have to base this on who I consider and who I have been told is part of this so called "movement". But, my overall assessment of who I think is in el8/PHC/Project Mayhem, is that a lot of them are not script kiddies. > If, on the other hand, you wish to concede that you're > merely pretending to know these guys or that you have > been misinformed, then that's fine with me. If I have been misinformed then great, correct me, who is in el8? Who is in PHC? Who cares? > P.S. Making money by doing what you enjoy does not make > doing what you enjoy morally right. I doubt even a hitman > would justify his criminal acts by saying such a thing. I never said it made it morally right. But I am not the one running around trying to own boxes and embarrass people. I am the one trying to prevent it from happening. > I must also ask... if the security world has accomplished > so much in the last decade other than arming scriptkids and > cashing in on self-fulfilling prophecies, then why are the > hack logs of iss.net, securityfocus.com, bindview.com, > openwall.com, snort.org, and some individuals not worth > mentioning... awaiting publication in ~el8[4] ? Again, lets see them -- lets see the proof. You are quick to call me out and say that I am mearly pretending or misinformed (which I admit I might be misinformed) yet all I have seen here is all kinds of FUD being created by the el8/PHC people. And you say the security industry is bad for FUD generation............... :-) -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "I don't intend to offend, I offend with my intent" hellNbak@...c.org http://www.nmrc.org/~hellnbak -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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