full-disclosure - David Ahmad (securityfocus/symantec) exposed

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Message-ID: <200208252204.g7PM4Y393499@mailserver2.hushmail.com>
From: rfp_the_ripper at hushmail.com (rfp_the_ripper@...hmail.com)
Subject: David Ahmad (securityfocus/symantec) exposed

Tell me how one would go about proving this. I guess the only
way you can be certain of the statement's validity is if
David himself confirms or denies it. One also faces the same
problem offering "proof" concerning Chris Klaus' malicious
activities in #hack back in the day. But here I go throwing
around "propaganda" again...



>If it is truly well known, then how about some actual proof. Th
>at is all I
>am asking.  I mean, especially on this list, how can anyone tru
>st what
>comes from an anonymous email account with no evidence.
>
>On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 rfp_the_ripper@...hmail.com wrote:
>
>> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:22:14 -0700
>> From: rfp_the_ripper@...hmail.com
>> Reply-To: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
>> To: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
>> Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] David Ahmad (securityfocus/sym
>antec)
>>     exposed
>>
>>
>> It's a pretty well known fact, inasmuch as Elias Levy of
>> securityfocus = aleph1 (= r00t, which was also a criminal
>> group) and Michael  Schiffman of @stake = route (= r00t,
>> guild -- both criminal groups that any scene savvy person
>> knows committed felonies back in the day).
>>
>>
>>
>> >Is there any real proof of this or is it nothing but a bunch
> of
>> >
>> >misinformation directed at the big bad evil corporation?
>> >
>> >Seriously, where is the proof?
>> >
>> >
>> >On Sun, 25 Aug 2002, Defender Defender wrote:
>> >
>> >> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:23:58 +0000
>> >> From: Defender Defender <defender242@...mail.com>
>> >> Reply-To: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
>> >> To: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] David Ahmad (securityfocus/
>sym
>> >antec)
>> >>     exposed
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >I was part of several hacker and cracker groups before en
>ter
>> >ing the
>> >> >white-hat side. So what?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> So it depends much on what you do. You could have the beli
>ef
>> >that some
>> >> people are worth being hacked, and some others secure, of 
>cou
>> >rse.
>> >>
>> >> But if you were moderator of bugtraq, a "full-disclosure" 
>mai
>> >ling list, it
>> >> would obviously just be another proof that all you want is
> mo
>> >re hacked
>> >> boxes, and more work and $$$.
>> >>
>> >> That would be a total lack of integrity.
>> >>
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>tml
>> >
>> >>
>> >
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>> >
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>
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