Message-ID: <20021014125728.A1153@hamsec>
From: silvio at big.net.au (silvio@....net.au)
Subject: bombings in bali

This is off-topic, but anyway..

>From CNN.com

   Most of those killed by two explosions in the nightclub district of
   Bali's Kuta Beach on Saturday were young tourists from Australia.

   Citizens from at least 12 other countries including Bali, the UK,
   France, Germany Sweden and the U.S. -- are also among the dead.

   Investigators suspect that Islamic extremists linked to Jemaah
   Islamiah -- a radical Islamic group with ties to al Qaeda -- might be
   behind the attacks. The group has denied involvement.

[ snip ]
[ what the fuck is that shit?  is it always islamic groups with ties to
  al qaeda? ]

   U.S. President George W. Bush said: "I think we have to assume it is
   al Qaeda, but we are beginning to hear reports that are more
   definitive than that. But I wait for our own analysis... Clearly, it
   was a deliberate attack on citizens who love freedom, citizens from
   countries who embrace freedom."

[ snip
  assume what?  what an utterly slanderous and unappropriate statement. ]

   "We are sure al Qaeda is here. The Bali bomb blasts are related to al
   Qaeda, with the cooperation of local terrorists," the Indonesian
   defense minister told CNN Monday.

[ snip
  al qaeda is the closest thing we have to a boogeyman more like it. ]

   Jemaah Islamiah is blamed for the September 23 grenade explosion near
   a U.S. Embassy warehouse in Jakarta as well as several other bombing
   attacks in Southeast Asia.

   However, Muslim cleric Abu Bakar Baasyir, accused by Washington of
   being the spiritual leader of JI, denied any involvement in the Bali
   explosions. He blamed "foreign parties," including the United States.

[ snip.
  this is classic biased journalism.  find people who are so whacko, that
  they'll help push forward some other story or view. ]

   "In many ways... the word terrorism is too antiseptic an expression to
   describe what happened," he said, pledging that Australia would
   continue to support the international war on terrorism, led by the
   United States.

   "I wouldn't be claiming that it was an attack specifically targeting
   at Australians. I would say though that there is a pattern of
   anti-Western behavior in so many of the terrorist attacks that have
   occurred."

[ anti west? ]

   It was the seventh major bombing in the region in the last three
   weeks, and occurred on a two-year anniversary of the terrorist attack
   on the USS Cole that killed 17 sailors and wounded 39 others in the
   Gulf of Aden near Yemen.

Naturally, the bombings are a totally fucked up thing.. But at the same time I
am almost disgusted to see the words 'al-qaeda' etc just thrown around for
the sake of it - to push forward other agenda's, and simplify all processes
for the sake of "news" about "terrorism".

unless i have no memory of the last 5 or so years during the entire east
timor independance thing, then surely the only problems indonesia has -
are the fucking taliban.

I'm not saying any of the following is indicitive of reasoning for
the bombings, but come on, indonesia has a slurry of domestic problems.  mind
i remind you of the .us's lack of involvment during the peace keeping
missions, or the referrendum etc...

http://www.lonelyplanet.com/destinations/south_east_asia/east_timor/

   On 20 May 2002, East Timor (or Timor Lorosa'e - the Tetum name for the
        area) became the world's newest country. This momentous and
   long-awaited event occurred following East Timor's first presidential
    elections, held in April 2002, with independence hero Xanana Gusmao
       winning by a landslide. Turnout was estimated at 86 percent of
                             registered voters.

   Visitors to East Timor will find it's both a recovering war zone and a
     beautiful country. Despite the destruction, this former Portuguese
   territory has some fine beaches, colonial towns, rugged mountains and
    a lush interior. Old Portuguese forts dot the countryside and former
    colonial hill stations provide a cooling break from the heat of the
   coast. However, the lack of infrastructure and tourist facilities, as
    well as continuing militia activity in the border regions, mean that
     East Timor is likely to be restricted to essential travel for the
                             immediate future.


                                  Warning

     Though the situation has improved as of late, militia activity has
     potential to recur in the western regions of the country. Visitors
    should stay away from the border areas between East and West Timor.
              Overland travel into East Timor is not advised.


    Dili and areas further east are rarely troubled by militia activity,
      though the capital does have problems with petty crime and gang
     disturbances. As foreigners are perceived as wealthy and therefore
    likely targets, it's best to stay where security guards are on duty,
              lock your room, and leave your diamonds at home.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1839000/1839705.stm

   The problem of the refugees is one of the main outstanding issues
   between Indonesia and East Timor. With just a few months before East
   Timor becomes a fully independent nation, there has been much
   diplomatic activity these past two days to ensure positive relations
   with neighbouring countries are already established.

   On Monday, Indonesia and East Timor, whose history is marred by so
   much violence, signed a series of agreements covering several key
   areas.

[ indonesia is surely another case of tailban cells more like it! ]

lets go to another "news" site
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2079081a10,00.html

   A New Zealand member of the peacekeeping force in East Timor was one
   of those injured in the bomb blasts in Bali and had been taken to a
   Singapore hospital, an official said in Timor.

[ snip.
  thanks to the .us who so kindly told .au to go fuck itself, when we 
  asked for assistance..  its insulting this government then, dare try to
  push their own created boogeymen into such problems. ]

   The official said Bali was a popular retreat for soldiers and others
   serving in East Timor.

   New Zealanders in East Timor have also reportedly been in contact with
   the New Zealand Government about increasing security.

[ snip ]

   The official said two United Nations peacekeepers were reportedly
   missing in the Bali blast and four UN police officers were unaccounted
   for, however it was not known if the police officers were in the bar
   at the time.

   Soldiers from the New Zealand Battalion 6 in East Timor were
   understood to have been told not to leave their compound in Suai on
   the southern coast of the island unless it was absolutely essential.



PLEASE GO CHECK CNN FOR YOUR INTERNATIONAL NEWS, BECASUE THE TALIBAN ARE
PROBABLY HEAD LINE NEWS!

--
Silvio

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