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From: dufresne at winternet.com (Ron DuFresne)
Subject: bombings in bali

Of course, none of this is relevant to the full disclosure list, nor even
unix-virus, though, being your own list you are able to pushout whatever
you wish.

This spam needs to be filtered if it persists also.

Thanks,

Ron DuFresne

On Mon, 14 Oct 2002 silvio@....net.au wrote:

> This is off-topic, but anyway..
>
> >From CNN.com
>
>    Most of those killed by two explosions in the nightclub district of
>    Bali's Kuta Beach on Saturday were young tourists from Australia.
>
>    Citizens from at least 12 other countries including Bali, the UK,
>    France, Germany Sweden and the U.S. -- are also among the dead.
>
>    Investigators suspect that Islamic extremists linked to Jemaah
>    Islamiah -- a radical Islamic group with ties to al Qaeda -- might be
>    behind the attacks. The group has denied involvement.
>
> [ snip ]
> [ what the fuck is that shit?  is it always islamic groups with ties to
>   al qaeda? ]
>
>    U.S. President George W. Bush said: "I think we have to assume it is
>    al Qaeda, but we are beginning to hear reports that are more
>    definitive than that. But I wait for our own analysis... Clearly, it
>    was a deliberate attack on citizens who love freedom, citizens from
>    countries who embrace freedom."
>
> [ snip
>   assume what?  what an utterly slanderous and unappropriate statement. ]
>
>    "We are sure al Qaeda is here. The Bali bomb blasts are related to al
>    Qaeda, with the cooperation of local terrorists," the Indonesian
>    defense minister told CNN Monday.
>
> [ snip
>   al qaeda is the closest thing we have to a boogeyman more like it. ]
>
>    Jemaah Islamiah is blamed for the September 23 grenade explosion near
>    a U.S. Embassy warehouse in Jakarta as well as several other bombing
>    attacks in Southeast Asia.
>
>    However, Muslim cleric Abu Bakar Baasyir, accused by Washington of
>    being the spiritual leader of JI, denied any involvement in the Bali
>    explosions. He blamed "foreign parties," including the United States.
>
> [ snip.
>   this is classic biased journalism.  find people who are so whacko, that
>   they'll help push forward some other story or view. ]
>
>    "In many ways... the word terrorism is too antiseptic an expression to
>    describe what happened," he said, pledging that Australia would
>    continue to support the international war on terrorism, led by the
>    United States.
>
>    "I wouldn't be claiming that it was an attack specifically targeting
>    at Australians. I would say though that there is a pattern of
>    anti-Western behavior in so many of the terrorist attacks that have
>    occurred."
>
> [ anti west? ]
>
>    It was the seventh major bombing in the region in the last three
>    weeks, and occurred on a two-year anniversary of the terrorist attack
>    on the USS Cole that killed 17 sailors and wounded 39 others in the
>    Gulf of Aden near Yemen.
>
> Naturally, the bombings are a totally fucked up thing.. But at the same time I
> am almost disgusted to see the words 'al-qaeda' etc just thrown around for
> the sake of it - to push forward other agenda's, and simplify all processes
> for the sake of "news" about "terrorism".
>
> unless i have no memory of the last 5 or so years during the entire east
> timor independance thing, then surely the only problems indonesia has -
> are the fucking taliban.
>
> I'm not saying any of the following is indicitive of reasoning for
> the bombings, but come on, indonesia has a slurry of domestic problems.  mind
> i remind you of the .us's lack of involvment during the peace keeping
> missions, or the referrendum etc...
>
> http://www.lonelyplanet.com/destinations/south_east_asia/east_timor/
>
>    On 20 May 2002, East Timor (or Timor Lorosa'e - the Tetum name for the
>         area) became the world's newest country. This momentous and
>    long-awaited event occurred following East Timor's first presidential
>     elections, held in April 2002, with independence hero Xanana Gusmao
>        winning by a landslide. Turnout was estimated at 86 percent of
>                              registered voters.
>
>    Visitors to East Timor will find it's both a recovering war zone and a
>      beautiful country. Despite the destruction, this former Portuguese
>    territory has some fine beaches, colonial towns, rugged mountains and
>     a lush interior. Old Portuguese forts dot the countryside and former
>     colonial hill stations provide a cooling break from the heat of the
>    coast. However, the lack of infrastructure and tourist facilities, as
>     well as continuing militia activity in the border regions, mean that
>      East Timor is likely to be restricted to essential travel for the
>                              immediate future.
>
>
>                                   Warning
>
>      Though the situation has improved as of late, militia activity has
>      potential to recur in the western regions of the country. Visitors
>     should stay away from the border areas between East and West Timor.
>               Overland travel into East Timor is not advised.
>
>
>     Dili and areas further east are rarely troubled by militia activity,
>       though the capital does have problems with petty crime and gang
>      disturbances. As foreigners are perceived as wealthy and therefore
>     likely targets, it's best to stay where security guards are on duty,
>               lock your room, and leave your diamonds at home.
>
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1839000/1839705.stm
>
>    The problem of the refugees is one of the main outstanding issues
>    between Indonesia and East Timor. With just a few months before East
>    Timor becomes a fully independent nation, there has been much
>    diplomatic activity these past two days to ensure positive relations
>    with neighbouring countries are already established.
>
>    On Monday, Indonesia and East Timor, whose history is marred by so
>    much violence, signed a series of agreements covering several key
>    areas.
>
> [ indonesia is surely another case of tailban cells more like it! ]
>
> lets go to another "news" site
> http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2079081a10,00.html
>
>    A New Zealand member of the peacekeeping force in East Timor was one
>    of those injured in the bomb blasts in Bali and had been taken to a
>    Singapore hospital, an official said in Timor.
>
> [ snip.
>   thanks to the .us who so kindly told .au to go fuck itself, when we
>   asked for assistance..  its insulting this government then, dare try to
>   push their own created boogeymen into such problems. ]
>
>    The official said Bali was a popular retreat for soldiers and others
>    serving in East Timor.
>
>    New Zealanders in East Timor have also reportedly been in contact with
>    the New Zealand Government about increasing security.
>
> [ snip ]
>
>    The official said two United Nations peacekeepers were reportedly
>    missing in the Bali blast and four UN police officers were unaccounted
>    for, however it was not known if the police officers were in the bar
>    at the time.
>
>    Soldiers from the New Zealand Battalion 6 in East Timor were
>    understood to have been told not to leave their compound in Suai on
>    the southern coast of the island unless it was absolutely essential.
>
>
>
> PLEASE GO CHECK CNN FOR YOUR INTERNATIONAL NEWS, BECASUE THE TALIBAN ARE
> PROBABLY HEAD LINE NEWS!
>
> --
> Silvio
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