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From: dufresne at (Ron DuFresne)
Subject: bombings in bali

Of course, none of this is relevant to the full disclosure list, nor even
unix-virus, though, being your own list you are able to pushout whatever
you wish.

This spam needs to be filtered if it persists also.


Ron DuFresne

On Mon, 14 Oct 2002 wrote:

> This is off-topic, but anyway..
> >From
>    Most of those killed by two explosions in the nightclub district of
>    Bali's Kuta Beach on Saturday were young tourists from Australia.
>    Citizens from at least 12 other countries including Bali, the UK,
>    France, Germany Sweden and the U.S. -- are also among the dead.
>    Investigators suspect that Islamic extremists linked to Jemaah
>    Islamiah -- a radical Islamic group with ties to al Qaeda -- might be
>    behind the attacks. The group has denied involvement.
> [ snip ]
> [ what the fuck is that shit?  is it always islamic groups with ties to
>   al qaeda? ]
>    U.S. President George W. Bush said: "I think we have to assume it is
>    al Qaeda, but we are beginning to hear reports that are more
>    definitive than that. But I wait for our own analysis... Clearly, it
>    was a deliberate attack on citizens who love freedom, citizens from
>    countries who embrace freedom."
> [ snip
>   assume what?  what an utterly slanderous and unappropriate statement. ]
>    "We are sure al Qaeda is here. The Bali bomb blasts are related to al
>    Qaeda, with the cooperation of local terrorists," the Indonesian
>    defense minister told CNN Monday.
> [ snip
>   al qaeda is the closest thing we have to a boogeyman more like it. ]
>    Jemaah Islamiah is blamed for the September 23 grenade explosion near
>    a U.S. Embassy warehouse in Jakarta as well as several other bombing
>    attacks in Southeast Asia.
>    However, Muslim cleric Abu Bakar Baasyir, accused by Washington of
>    being the spiritual leader of JI, denied any involvement in the Bali
>    explosions. He blamed "foreign parties," including the United States.
> [ snip.
>   this is classic biased journalism.  find people who are so whacko, that
>   they'll help push forward some other story or view. ]
>    "In many ways... the word terrorism is too antiseptic an expression to
>    describe what happened," he said, pledging that Australia would
>    continue to support the international war on terrorism, led by the
>    United States.
>    "I wouldn't be claiming that it was an attack specifically targeting
>    at Australians. I would say though that there is a pattern of
>    anti-Western behavior in so many of the terrorist attacks that have
>    occurred."
> [ anti west? ]
>    It was the seventh major bombing in the region in the last three
>    weeks, and occurred on a two-year anniversary of the terrorist attack
>    on the USS Cole that killed 17 sailors and wounded 39 others in the
>    Gulf of Aden near Yemen.
> Naturally, the bombings are a totally fucked up thing.. But at the same time I
> am almost disgusted to see the words 'al-qaeda' etc just thrown around for
> the sake of it - to push forward other agenda's, and simplify all processes
> for the sake of "news" about "terrorism".
> unless i have no memory of the last 5 or so years during the entire east
> timor independance thing, then surely the only problems indonesia has -
> are the fucking taliban.
> I'm not saying any of the following is indicitive of reasoning for
> the bombings, but come on, indonesia has a slurry of domestic problems.  mind
> i remind you of the .us's lack of involvment during the peace keeping
> missions, or the referrendum etc...
>    On 20 May 2002, East Timor (or Timor Lorosa'e - the Tetum name for the
>         area) became the world's newest country. This momentous and
>    long-awaited event occurred following East Timor's first presidential
>     elections, held in April 2002, with independence hero Xanana Gusmao
>        winning by a landslide. Turnout was estimated at 86 percent of
>                              registered voters.
>    Visitors to East Timor will find it's both a recovering war zone and a
>      beautiful country. Despite the destruction, this former Portuguese
>    territory has some fine beaches, colonial towns, rugged mountains and
>     a lush interior. Old Portuguese forts dot the countryside and former
>     colonial hill stations provide a cooling break from the heat of the
>    coast. However, the lack of infrastructure and tourist facilities, as
>     well as continuing militia activity in the border regions, mean that
>      East Timor is likely to be restricted to essential travel for the
>                              immediate future.
>                                   Warning
>      Though the situation has improved as of late, militia activity has
>      potential to recur in the western regions of the country. Visitors
>     should stay away from the border areas between East and West Timor.
>               Overland travel into East Timor is not advised.
>     Dili and areas further east are rarely troubled by militia activity,
>       though the capital does have problems with petty crime and gang
>      disturbances. As foreigners are perceived as wealthy and therefore
>     likely targets, it's best to stay where security guards are on duty,
>               lock your room, and leave your diamonds at home.
>    The problem of the refugees is one of the main outstanding issues
>    between Indonesia and East Timor. With just a few months before East
>    Timor becomes a fully independent nation, there has been much
>    diplomatic activity these past two days to ensure positive relations
>    with neighbouring countries are already established.
>    On Monday, Indonesia and East Timor, whose history is marred by so
>    much violence, signed a series of agreements covering several key
>    areas.
> [ indonesia is surely another case of tailban cells more like it! ]
> lets go to another "news" site
>    A New Zealand member of the peacekeeping force in East Timor was one
>    of those injured in the bomb blasts in Bali and had been taken to a
>    Singapore hospital, an official said in Timor.
> [ snip.
>   thanks to the .us who so kindly told .au to go fuck itself, when we
>   asked for assistance..  its insulting this government then, dare try to
>   push their own created boogeymen into such problems. ]
>    The official said Bali was a popular retreat for soldiers and others
>    serving in East Timor.
>    New Zealanders in East Timor have also reportedly been in contact with
>    the New Zealand Government about increasing security.
> [ snip ]
>    The official said two United Nations peacekeepers were reportedly
>    missing in the Bali blast and four UN police officers were unaccounted
>    for, however it was not known if the police officers were in the bar
>    at the time.
>    Soldiers from the New Zealand Battalion 6 in East Timor were
>    understood to have been told not to leave their compound in Suai on
>    the southern coast of the island unless it was absolutely essential.
> --
> Silvio
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