full-disclosure - Fwd: fuck symantec & boycott bugtraq

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Message-ID: <20030110031310.A4257@africa>
From: dw at botanicus.net (David M. Wilson)
Subject: Fwd: fuck symantec & boycott bugtraq

On Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 01:18:49AM +0100, Ka wrote:

> What the fuck is going on in American minds after the Daffy Moron
> Cockeyed Act? As soon as someone mentions "copyright" or "license" you
> seem to p... - read: stop thinking immediatedly.

This is a totally seperate issue from the DMCA - it is a matter of basic
human rights to ownership over the product of their craftsmanship.

Symantec are a very large organisation, and no doubt have a large legal
department.

Given the aquisition of securityfocus.com, any half-witted legal type is
going to realise it is absolutely teaming with copyrighted works. I am
not sure how it works in the U.S.A., but in the U.K. I have always been
taught that copyright is implicit; once I create something, it is my
property. Whether I mark it "(c) m4d h4x0r, DO N0T D1STr0!", or not.

A large unweildy database of exploit code owned and controlled by scores
of anonymous hackers spread across the globe presents a massive legal
nightmare.

You could spend millions contacting each and every individual to get
his/her consent for use of their code, or you can simply just pull the
plug.

> This is indeed 100% success for Microsoft - they managed to
> implant their ideas about copyright and licensing into nearly 
> everybody coming near a computer.

Yeah man, Microsoft invented capitalism. Whether most people agree with
me or not (and especially not on this list), intellectual property
protects us just as much as it damages us. (</troll>)

Even some basic historical reading will show you that Microsoft were not
the inventors of the closed-source binary, it happened long before that.
When? I don't know, nor do I care. Time for bed. Try The Cathedral And
The Bazaar, ESR rants about a closed-source driver for a Xerox prototype
printer in the 70s IIRC.

David.