From: pwicks at oxygen.com (James Patterson Wicks)
Subject: Immature blabla / cisco exploit

I have to agree.  I subscribed after hearing about this list on CNN.COM, but while most of the post are helpful and informative, the number messages used to insult/degrade/embarrass other posters is overwhelming.  I hope that the list moderators take some sort of action to cut down on the nasty postings so that we can focus on the REALLY important issues concerning our industry.


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Postma [mailto:spostma@...vizon.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 4:00 PM
To: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] Immature blabla / cisco exploit


Oh brother ... What a load of crap. I signed up to this list yesterday
looking for good insights into our industry, and am signing off today
because the only thing that comes over it is from people beating their
chests and patting there own backs.

-----Original Message-----
From: security snot [mailto:booger@...xclan.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 3:15 PM
To: Ron DuFresne
Cc: Steve; full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Immature blabla / cisco exploit

DuFresne - is that French?  I won't expect you to be fluent in English;
nor shall I expect you to use the word email in your emails.  Nice to know
however that you have national pride.  Unfortunately, the pride is for
France.

In the future, I suggest you not attempt to insult my intelligence on this
list, or in any other forum, else I will be forced to challenge you to
technical debates that beyond the scope of knowledge that you, or anyone
willing to proxy-argue for you, will be able to comprehend.  This will
undoubtedly be damaging to your image of a security-professional posting
incoherent banter concerning the use of grep(1) for source auditing,
rewritten material on commercial firewall devices you've never touched,
and your pleasurable arguments with your arch-nemisis, Matthew Murphy.

In short, the more ignorant readers of this list who think there is any
validity to what you say, will recognize you for the moron that you are,
and this understanding will extend to whatever clientele that purchases
your services.  Then you'll never be able to move out of your mothers
house, and will never have an opportunity to lose your virginity.

But all insults aside, let us now get back on topic.

My suggestion is to more clearly define what is considered appropriate
security material to go on this list.  I understand that you feel
threatened, since if the standard is raised even the slightest you'll have
nowhere to post, but resorting to these petty condescending attacks
against me will not help you establish the illusion of technical prowess
on your behalf.

Thank you.

-----------------------------------------------------------
"Whitehat by day, booger at night - I'm the security snot."
- CISSP / CCNA / A+ Certified - www.unixclan.net/~booger/ -
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On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Ron DuFresne wrote:

>
> The "FAQ", which seems you have not read, already exists, and can be found
> via headers and footers/sigs already.  It's spewed to list members
> monthly.  But, it seems your e-address is perhaps already on the 'list'
> here, and perhaps so on a few of the other sec lists too, having been
> tapped here for info about whom you might be and all that already..
>
> Laterer,
>
> Ron DuFresne
>
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, security snot wrote:
>
> > Perhaps we should establish some criteria for this list, outlining what
is
> > and isn't appropriate subjects to discuss here, and establish a better
FAQ
> > explaining the matters.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > "Whitehat by day, booger at night - I'm the security snot."
> > - CISSP / CCNA / A+ Certified - www.unixclan.net/~booger/ -
> > -----------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Steve wrote:
> >
> > > On Tuesday 22 July 2003 05:37 am, Daniel Berg wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I have no clue if I am the only one gettin bored and annoyed by all
this
> > > > immature blabla, but this certainly gets out of control.
> > > >
> > > > I have not subscribed to this list to get a mailbox full of spam
with
> > > > kiddies making fun of each other. if morning_wood is interested in
XSS
> > > > then why not just let him be?
> > > > I guess there are more ppl on this list interested in his XSS
exploits
> > > > than in the lame flaming that noone really needs.
> > > >
> > > > would be cool if we could all just get calm again, and love and
respect
> > > > each other. =)
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Accoding to Len they should have received a warning and be on, if not
> > > already done, a ban list shortly. We'll see...
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > > ____________________________________
> > > Steve Szmidt
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
> > > Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
> > Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
> >
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity.  It
> eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the
> business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation." -- Johnny Hart
> 	***testing, only testing, and damn good at it too!***
>
> OK, so you're a Ph.D.  Just don't touch anything.
>
>
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