From: strombrg at dcs.nac.uci.edu (Dan Stromberg)
Subject: Immature blabla / cisco exploit


You know, I'm not a big fan of the immature personal attacks.  It kinda
seems like a waste of time.

But I have to wonder...

It's possible that this kind of behavior is just part of black hat
culture.  It's possible that by trying to shut off this faucet that
we're just going to dry up a significant part of our information
source.  It's possible that asking some/many/most black hats not to
flame each other is a bit like asking some/many/most first generation,
Italy-loving Italians not to eat pasta.

On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 13:56, James Patterson Wicks wrote:
> I have to agree.  I subscribed after hearing about this list on CNN.COM, but while most of the post are helpful and informative, the number messages used to insult/degrade/embarrass other posters is overwhelming.  I hope that the list moderators take some sort of action to cut down on the nasty postings so that we can focus on the REALLY important issues concerning our industry.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Postma [mailto:spostma@...vizon.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 4:00 PM
> To: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
> Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] Immature blabla / cisco exploit
> 
> 
> Oh brother ... What a load of crap. I signed up to this list yesterday
> looking for good insights into our industry, and am signing off today
> because the only thing that comes over it is from people beating their
> chests and patting there own backs.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: security snot [mailto:booger@...xclan.net] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 3:15 PM
> To: Ron DuFresne
> Cc: Steve; full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
> Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Immature blabla / cisco exploit
> 
> DuFresne - is that French?  I won't expect you to be fluent in English;
> nor shall I expect you to use the word email in your emails.  Nice to know
> however that you have national pride.  Unfortunately, the pride is for
> France.
> 
> In the future, I suggest you not attempt to insult my intelligence on this
> list, or in any other forum, else I will be forced to challenge you to
> technical debates that beyond the scope of knowledge that you, or anyone
> willing to proxy-argue for you, will be able to comprehend.  This will
> undoubtedly be damaging to your image of a security-professional posting
> incoherent banter concerning the use of grep(1) for source auditing,
> rewritten material on commercial firewall devices you've never touched,
> and your pleasurable arguments with your arch-nemisis, Matthew Murphy.
> 
> In short, the more ignorant readers of this list who think there is any
> validity to what you say, will recognize you for the moron that you are,
> and this understanding will extend to whatever clientele that purchases
> your services.  Then you'll never be able to move out of your mothers
> house, and will never have an opportunity to lose your virginity.
> 
> But all insults aside, let us now get back on topic.
> 
> My suggestion is to more clearly define what is considered appropriate
> security material to go on this list.  I understand that you feel
> threatened, since if the standard is raised even the slightest you'll have
> nowhere to post, but resorting to these petty condescending attacks
> against me will not help you establish the illusion of technical prowess
> on your behalf.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> "Whitehat by day, booger at night - I'm the security snot."
> - CISSP / CCNA / A+ Certified - www.unixclan.net/~booger/ -
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> 
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Ron DuFresne wrote:
> 
> >
> > The "FAQ", which seems you have not read, already exists, and can be found
> > via headers and footers/sigs already.  It's spewed to list members
> > monthly.  But, it seems your e-address is perhaps already on the 'list'
> > here, and perhaps so on a few of the other sec lists too, having been
> > tapped here for info about whom you might be and all that already..
> >
> > Laterer,
> >
> > Ron DuFresne
> >
> > On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, security snot wrote:
> >
> > > Perhaps we should establish some criteria for this list, outlining what
> is
> > > and isn't appropriate subjects to discuss here, and establish a better
> FAQ
> > > explaining the matters.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts?
> > >
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > > "Whitehat by day, booger at night - I'm the security snot."
> > > - CISSP / CCNA / A+ Certified - www.unixclan.net/~booger/ -
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Steve wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tuesday 22 July 2003 05:37 am, Daniel Berg wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I have no clue if I am the only one gettin bored and annoyed by all
> this
> > > > > immature blabla, but this certainly gets out of control.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have not subscribed to this list to get a mailbox full of spam
> with
> > > > > kiddies making fun of each other. if morning_wood is interested in
> XSS
> > > > > then why not just let him be?
> > > > > I guess there are more ppl on this list interested in his XSS
> exploits
> > > > > than in the lame flaming that noone really needs.
> > > > >
> > > > > would be cool if we could all just get calm again, and love and
> respect
> > > > > each other. =)
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Accoding to Len they should have received a warning and be on, if not
> > > > already done, a ban list shortly. We'll see...
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ____________________________________
> > > > Steve Szmidt
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
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> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
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> > >
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > "Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity.  It
> > eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the
> > business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation." -- Johnny Hart
> > 	***testing, only testing, and damn good at it too!***
> >
> > OK, so you're a Ph.D.  Just don't touch anything.
> >
> >
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