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Message-ID: <20030820125106.6902d415.michael@bluesuperman.com>
From: michael at bluesuperman.com (Michael Gale)
Subject: [Fwd: Edwards AFB shut down by W32Blaster]
 (fwd)

Hello,

	Just to clarify the term "real MCSE", I was referring to a MCSE that actually knows how networks function, what a firewall is and why it should be there. They would actually be able to hold down a Networking / System engineer position.

Michael.



On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:11:16 -0400
"Gerald Cody Bunch" <gbunch@....net> wrote:

> Please define the term real MCSE, being as the first word in the acronym
> stands for 'Microsoft' 
> it would stand to reason that a real MCSE is nothing more than trained
> 'Microsoft' marketing monkey.
> 
> I believe what you are referring to is not quite a 'real MCSE' however,
> but a Networking/Systems engineer.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com
> [mailto:full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com] On Behalf Of Denis
> Dimick
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 9:30 PM
> To: Michael Gale
> Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
> Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] [Fwd: Edwards AFB shut down by
> W32Blaster] (fwd)
> 
> 
> 
> We should talk about gun control next.. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Michael Gale wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 	Please ... if a MCSE is in charge of a network and something
> happens, 
> > like everyone on the network gets the MSBLASTER worm then the MCSE is
> as much at fault as Microsoft is.
> > 
> > Microsoft builds the piece of sh*t but the MCSE are the ones pushing 
> > it down everyone's throat saying "Look at how user friend and secure 
> > this is".
> > 
> > Any real MCSE would know that windows is crap and should therefor do a
> 
> > better job of protecting the internal network.
> > 
> > Michael.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:42:17 -0500 (CDT)
> > Ron DuFresne <dufresne@...ternet.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Schmehl, Paul L wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Bryan K. Watson [mailto:bwatson@...Tracers.com]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 3:46 AM
> > > > > To: 'Byron Copeland'; 'Ron DuFresne'; 
> > > > > full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] [Fwd: Edwards AFB shut down by
> > > > > W32Blaster] (fwd)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > That is a load of B.S. if I ever heard it.
> > > > >
> > > > > I can attest to the fact that this is indeed.... NOT BS...
> > > > >
> > > > > True, there are a bunch of MCSE's that are on top of 
> > > > > things....however, there are way too many scam artists with 
> > > > > MCSE's who only give a damn about getting a bigger consulting 
> > > > > fee than securing their customer's networks.
> > > >
> > > > And of course there isn't a single *nix consultant around who 
> > > > isn't worth his/her weight in gold and doing an absolutely 
> > > > fabulous job......
> > > >
> > > > Shitty people come in all shapes and sizes and infest every 
> > > > profession. They're as unavoidable as air.
> > > 
> > > Kinda feeling like all fingers point home huh?
> > > 
> > > Why blame the poor MCSE's when one should perhaps fault the vendor 
> > > again, for not only failing to provide a viable patching system that
> 
> > > does not overburden these folks, but also undertrains them in 
> > > perperation for the world of hurt they are about to be employed in.
> > > 
> > > There, that should satisfy all those  indignant MCSE's that try to 
> > > do the right thing, but are swamped with the rate of and poor 
> > > quality of patches they have to deal with.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Ron DuFresne
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > "Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity.  It 
> > > eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the
> 
> > > business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation." -- Johnny Hart
> > > 	***testing, only testing, and damn good at it too!***
> > > 
> > > OK, so you're a Ph.D.  Just don't touch anything.
> > > 
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