full-disclosure - JAP back doored

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Message-ID: <000501c36cf8$a6b784c0$2b02a8c0@dcopley>
From: dcopley at eeye.com (Drew Copley)
Subject: JAP back doored

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeremiah Cornelius [mailto:jeremiah@....net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:52 PM
> To: Drew Copley; 'Goncalo Costa'
> Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
> Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] JAP back doored
> 
> 
> > As for the US government, this is utterly unimportant. I was playing
> around even to begin to mess > with that. Yes, I am unaware 
> of the US actively trojanizing applications by forcing the 
> developers > to do this. So are you. This is illegal.
> 
> Legality has /never/ stopped th U.S. or any other government. 

I did not imply that it would. 

But, rather, I was noting that it is important to have laws to prevent these kinds of things. Without the law there is no condemnation. I do not believe this was a hidden implication in what I was saying, as otherwise this statement would have been entirely out of context.

>  It was illegal to invade Panama in '89.  The actions by a 
> President to order this - under any circumstances - were in 
> direct violation of treaties to which all OAS members were 
> party.  The action of breaking this treaty is itself a 
> violation of US law - and an unarguably impeachable offense.

Yes, yes, and? Great. Again, write a book, but you entirely missed my argument. You aren't even arguing against me unless you want to say that it should not be made illegal to trojanize software.

> 
> Backdooring software is small potatoes.

...

> 
> The NSA key in MS Windows NT+ has never been seriously 
> dicredited - just officially dismissed.

Yes, it has been.

> 
> "Just 'cause the brainwashing is free, doesn't mean you 
> /have/ to take one..."

Yeah, whatever, you really don't see that you have entirely avoided the entire context of the argument in order to spout some nonsense which is available on fifty thousand websites? Really. Start a new thread if you want to moan about the horrors of intelligence agencies.

For all of this, and I said outloud: "I don't care if they hack pedophile or terrorist suspects" -- and no one catches me on that? That, at least, I would bother to defend because it was something I was actually saying.

This stuff I am merely replying to because it is bewildering that the topic could get so far removed just because the subject of America was introduced.

Regardless, none of these opinions are new or deep. In fact, they are standard. They are not innovative or insightful... They are deeply banal, common place, as common place as AOL. I think I went through this same phase myself -- before I had acne.

'Watching Enemy of the State' on acid can probably do it to you, too.

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