From: steve at stevesworld.hopto.org (Stephen Clowater)
Subject: Bush Bashing (use to be Has Verisign  time arrived ?)

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It has been commented by len, and by others on the list that this is not 
appropriate for a security mailng list. Could we please move this off list?


On October 6, 2003 11:48 pm, Vincent wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 21:58:55 -0300
>
> El Guille <guille7@...tevideo.com.uy> wrote:
> > >Well just for the sake of being honest, the US gets 55% of its oil
> > >domesticaly.[1]
> > >Followed by 20% Saudi and the rest Venezuela, yadda, yadda.
> > >It's the EU that buys a huge chunk from Iraq. (just look how much
> > > they're owed now)
> > >We get about 3-5% from Iraq and have for 10 years. If thier oil is our
> > >lifeblood
> > >mind explaining to me why we had the best economy in the history of our
> > >country
> > >while not paying a dime to Iraq for one bucket of oil? BTW that 3-5% we
> > >got from
> > >Iraq was because of the oil for food program, we didn't 'buy' any. Cause
> > >there were
> > >sanctions only a few of us decided to follow.
> > >
> > >[1].. It's been a while since I researched this. I can't remember if
> > >'domestically'
> > >means Mexico and Canada included.(?)
> >
> > Deceived by your ignorance I may say.
> > Price of oil before war was 15 bucks de barrel
> > With the gulf war the price raise up to 42 bucks x barrel, generating an
> > extra 60 thousand millon dollars.
>
> Wrong.
> The only time it ever went over $40 was in 1980-83 cause of the
> Iran/Iraq war but thank you for playing.
> http://www.wtrg.com/prices.htm (or just type in 'crude oil prices history'
> in google and follow the first link.
> in '90 it was $24 then the war made it _DROP_ to $21 in 1991!
>
> The first statement you made can't be ignorance it is so far off I'm
> leaning towards you making a completely blatant lie.
> So I will not respond to the rest because your credibility has now come
> into question, not to mention I made no statements about half of your
> rambling. Next time you call someone ignorant sevral times over, make sure
> they comment on what you're talking about before assuming he's from this
> party so this is his opnion okay?
> Good Bye.
>
> > In the arab countries the fifty-fifty law says 50% goes to the country
> > and 50% goes to the company in control.
> >
> > So you got 30.000.000 dollars for the oil companies.
> >
> > And if your ignorance does not play against you again, you should know
> > that in middle east, the extraction and oil commerce ruled by the "7
> > sisters" (shell,tamoil,ello.) all of those americans, 5 of each owned by
> > the american goverment.
> >
> > So of those 30, 21 for the US gov. 9 for private american companies.
> >
> > And guess what, they wanted to liberate kuwait!?!?! and the war in
> > afganistan was anti-terrorism, not to instaurate a mockery goverment that
> > allows the construction of 2500km oleoduct(instead of building a 5500km
> > one taxed to death by the crossed countries)
> >
> > And you also didn't know bush administration was before war at the edge
> > of breaking with it's biggest oil provider, that is saudi arabia? And
> > they weren't of course looking for an alternative, they were instaurating
> > democracy in Irak??
> > Now of course with the new regime, instaurated by the US and under it's
> > control, the iraki people economical desires will prevail? sure...
> >
> > Why Irak?
> > - The poberty caused by the block causes 300.000 childs to starve to
> > death every year.(how many died in 11/9?)
> > - Easy justification, look at you believing in a destroyed country having
> > WMD - No protection for Irak from any of the powerfull countries.
> >
> > Regards,
> > and you should be reading a little more before opening your mouth.
> >
> > PS and after answering with "we are protecting the world" please read
> > something about the dictarorial regimes imposed by the US in Latin
> > America in the last 30 years, just to name a few, El Salvador, Chile,
> > Nicaragua, Republica Dominicana, Paraguay, and the list goes on. Those
> > regimes instaurated by YOUR country ended with thousands dead and
> > tortured, the same thing you fight against now? that is hypocrite.
> > PS2 ask yourself again why US gets attacked, I don't see planes crashing
> > on switzerland buildings, I don't see mexico embassy beign bombed in
> > Africa, I don't see portuguese citizens being killed. What if, only if ,
> > by any chance, those "crazy muslims terrorists" are just paying back?.
> > Just say thanks george.
> >
> > AND FOR THE SAKE OF BEIGN HONEST:
> >
> >
> > - Dwight Eisenhower said in 1953 that "preventive war" was and Adolf
> > Hitler invention, stated: I wouldn't take seriously anyone proposing
> > something like that.
> > - USA is the country that builds and sells more weapons in the world. Is
> > also, the only nation that has thrown atomic bombs against civil
> > population. And it's always, by tradition, in war with someone.
> > - Irak does not obey UN regulations, does USA obeys? Was the war in Irak
> > a dream?
> > - Irak broke 17 UN regulations, Israel 64, will US bomb it's more
> > faithfull country?
> > - Who sell Sadam Hussein the cepas to build it's gas to kill the kurdos?
> > Why Bush is not showing the bills?
> > - In name of God I've seen many post here, why did God give different
> > orders to Bush and to the Pope on Rome?
> > - There were no iraki people on the planes on 9/11, almost all of them
> > were from saudi arabia, also from saudi arabia is Osama Bin Laden. Ahhh
> > of course, saudi arabia the best US client, we better get our hands on
> > Irak.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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- -- 
Stephen Clowater

Only those who leisurely approach that which the masses are busy about
can be busy about that which the masses take leisurely.
		-- Lao Tsu

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