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From: dufresne at winternet.com (Ron DuFresne)
Subject: Fw: Red Hat Linux end-of-life update and
 transition planning


Ahh, yes, but, try and determine of yhe RH rpm's are up-to-date with
current sploits.  RH has it's own versioning system and one can find
temselves doing a RH website crawl into the ethers...

Or, talk to John Airey <hope I spelled that correctly John> about trying
to upgrade openssl and or mod_ssl for apache.

As a few others have hinted;  RH imagines itself to be a contender with
the M$ desktop market, and even M$ in it's past anti-trust suits tried to
bolster that image...

But, the plain and simple is, many RH users founder at a commandline.


Thanks,

Ron DuFresne

On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Paul Tinsley wrote:

> Your opinions on RedHat show that you have never been an administrator
> in a big shop.
>
> I have been administrating RedHat boxes for years and have yet to touch
> a GUI.  I started off with slackware and went away from it when I wanted
> real administration capabilities.  Your comments are very typical of a
> small shop administrator, get back with me when you run out of cute
> names for your boxes and have to start numbering them.
>
> Redhat's configuration layout is not very complex...  /etc/sysconfig/*
> gets 99% of the system wide stuff /etc/enter_service_name_here/* for
> specific service stuff... covers most of the rest.  Thinking that RedHat
> is preventing you from using the console is lack of the true workings of
> a Linux box or the inability to read documentation, if you understand
> how a Linux box works, you could track down the configuration files
> pretty easily.  Start with init and work your way up, you should be used
> to brute force coming from slackware.
>
> And as I am currently in the market for a new low-end server OS and you
> say that slackware is the best one out there.  How do I deal with the
> following:
> - Listing installed "packages" on the machine; slackware documentation
> shows how to install, update, and remove but not query installed
> packages for version information
> (http://www.slackware.com/config/packages.php.)  How would I get a list
> of all the packages installed with name, version and summary information
> in csv format?  One RedHat 'linux "power user"' way would be rpm -qa
> --qf '%{NAME},%{VERSION},%{SUMMARY}\n'
>
> - Automate patch and package deployment for a large install base?  A
> couple of RedHat ways would be up2date with the satellite server or autorpm.
>
> - support best practice user account security: password lockout after x
> failed tries, password complexity, password aging, central
> authentication?  I can send you my pam configuration files if you want.
>
>
>
> Please think before you post.
>
>
> Michael Gale wrote:
>
> >Ya - well - your opinions of other distro's just goes to show why you were using RH.
> >
> >RH is, oh wait - was linux's version of windows, a pain in the a$$. People who started off on RH usually never learned anything and are stuck with the same problems as windows has except for less crashing.
> >
> >Modifying things is a pain because there are 50 millions different places that RH keeps the data and you can't do anything from the console so you get stuck using the GUI they provide.
> >
> >And please RPM'S !!!!! Should I just provide you with a windows install shield :)
> >
> >Slackware is at version 9.1 thank you :) and in my opinion the best linux distro out there for server class machines, I feel it is better then freeBSD :)
> >
> >It is also a great desktop OS -- it is just a "not out of the box" desktop - x-windows running machine.
> >
> >Suse and Mandrake make fairly decent out of the box x running desktop machines.
> >
> >But this is the whole point on using Linux - control and freedom. You get to do what ever you want, how ever you want with YOUR PC !!!.
> >
> >I good luck to the RH company -- I hope you crash and burn. To all the RH users. Time to RTFM, stop trying to be linux "power user" and use a real distro. Hell - go and dw OpenBSD and start there !!! Is it like driving a car -- you do not start with the Porsche, you work your way up to it.
> >
> >Michael
> >
> >On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 15:22:30 -0500
> >"Jonathan A. Zdziarski" <jonathan@...learelephant.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 14:11, Tim Groninga wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Got the same f-you-gram today - already figuring out what distro to
> >>>fall back to but 99% of my experience has been on Redhat. No time to
> >>>try them all....so FreeBSD/SuSE/Mandrake - what are your opinions of
> >>>each? Flexiblity, ease of use, ease of migration, security etc.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>I would love to see the open source community pull together and create a
> >>better "user-friendly" Linux distribution to replace RedHat.  So far all
> >>of the alternatives I've looked at, while not bad, are quite frankly not
> >>impressive enough to capture any desktop user market space away from
> >>Microsoft...which is what I feel is the most important contribution
> >>RedHat made to Linux prior to turning into a bunch of selfish
> >>blood-sucking misers.
> >>
> >>To answer your question:
> >>
> >>Debian: 8 CDs of useless or outdated software, 2.2 kernel install,
> >>poorly designed install tool
> >>
> >>Slackware: What version are we at?
> >>
> >>Mandrake: Welcome n00b.
> >>
> >>Lindows: su? we don't need no stinking su.
> >>
> >>FreeLSD: Uh, how did this make it into the mix?
> >>
> >>SuSe: the most promising, which is why they'll probably be next to screw
> >>the Linux community.  Not sure if I can handle them discontinuing it for
> >>a SECOND time.
> >>
> >><rant>
> >>I'm a strong supporter of open-source, free software...but wtf good is
> >>the GPL if the cycle always ends in the open-source, free software
> >>community being screwed?
> >></rant>
> >>
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