full-disclosure - Old school applications on the Internet(was Anti-MS drivel)

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Message-ID: <20040124020146.NWHA286904.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@BillDell>
From: full-disclosure at royds.net (Bill Royds)
Subject: Old school applications on the Internet(was Anti-MS drivel)

Microsoft networking originally did not use TCP/IP at all, but a LAN
protocol called NetBEUI based on Mac addresses and the NetBIOS machine
names. It was a broadcast protocol only working in a single broadcast domain
(no routing). It was not compatible with any other machine. That is one
reason that Novell was able to become established in networking.  When
Microsoft adapted that for TCP/IP, they basically put a TCP/IP packet header
in front of the NetBEUI data. WINS was a method of allowing the machines to
communicate beyond a single Ethernet broadcast segment by turning a NetBIOS
Machine name in to an IP address not just a MAC address.

When Windows was originally designed, it could NOT communicate with a
Macintosh or a Unix box, unless they had added software/hardware to make
them compatible with the NetBEUI protocol. 

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com
[mailto:full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com] On Behalf Of Gregh
Sent: January 22, 2004 1:25 AM
To: Bill Royds; 'Michal Zalewski'; 'yossarian'
Cc: '[Full Disclosure]'
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Old school applications on the Internet(was
Anti-MS drivel)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Royds" <full-disclosure@...ds.net>
To: "'Michal Zalewski'" <lcamtuf@...ttot.org>; "'yossarian'"
<yossarian@...net.nl>
Cc: "'[Full Disclosure]'" <full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:34 PM
Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] Old school applications on the Internet(was
Anti-MS drivel)

> What you describe is actually one of the reasons for some of the flaws in
> MS software. It was built with the assumption that the only machines on
the
> network that it would communicate with were other MS boxes. The network
was

Can you verify that claim somewhere I can read about that please? So far as
I am aware, any machine on a network conforms to protocols for networking,
not to OS applications' ideas which may not be networking protocol
compliant. Therefore, a MAC on a network can share files with an MS based PC
or a Unix based PC.

I say this facetiously of course but here goes - "Am I wrong?"

Greg.

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