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From: JMC13 at mail3.cs.state.ny.us (Clairmont, Jan)
Subject: Gee Why don't you teach then! Help out the 
	community.

For those who think more people less security, why don't
you TEACH.  There are plenty of people who need to learn,
this gripe is lame.   And what happens when the old security
people die off or retire, we need to train new ones.  This 
sounds like the old cogger network, no ones bettern' me,
hot diggetty? Pleeese, inexperience does not mean ineptitude,
nor unwillingness.  

Oh well, my frank opinion is we need 
every brain cell on the planet to figure a way out of the
mess, this last generation created and did not solve.  So
to the younger people out there we need you involved, 
positively or I frankly think this planet is dead. 

And if you have some experience or knowledge to pass on pls 
do it before it's too late.

Rant Rant Rave Rave, things to do people to meet, a world to
save 8->

Jan, Paladin, Paladin where do you roam?

-----Original Message-----
From: madsaxon [mailto:madsaxon@...ecway.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 1:27 PM
To: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] more security people =3D less securityi


At 12:05 PM 2/5/2004 -0500, Damian Gerow wrote:
>I finished in twenty minutes, and passed.  The last person walked out 
>of there two hours into the exam.  I signed an NDA that I don't 
>remember the details of, so I'm loathe to disclose any specific 
>details, but let's just say that I'd be surprised if my technophobic 
>mother failed the exam.

I'm a CISSP because I made a bet I could walk in off the street and pass the
exam.  I did.  I'd been doing it for a living for 15 years already at that
point, though.

Having said that, however, let me also state that if someone has CISSP or
CISM or whatever, at least an employer knows they've been exposed to the
concepts and terminology of the field.  That's really all these certs are
good for.  They don't separate the wheat from the chaff, just the infosec
chaff from the other chaff.

m5x

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