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From: exibar at (Exibar)
Subject: MCSE training question]

I'll have to rephrase then because I don't want it to sound like I'm
belittleing college degrees, the declaration of having a cert is the same as
making a declaration that you have a degree.  What you go through to get
each is completely different, of course, but the end result is something you
put after your name if you choose to do so.

  there are idiots with PhD's and there are geniuses with PhD's  same with
[pick a cert]... that's is all.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alexander MacLennan" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:16 PM
Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Full-Disclosure] MCSE training question]

> A certificate is not just like a degree.
> A degree should give you a thorough grounding in the foundations of a
> particular field of study and the ability to learn.
> A certificate is intended to give you the skills to operate a particular
> product or suite of products. The certificate may or may not teach you
> the fundamentals behind the product.
> I'm not arguing the pros and cons of either.. just stating the obvious
> -------- Original Message --------
> From: Exibar <>
> To: Joel R. Helgeson <>, Curt Purdy <>,
>    <>
> Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] MCSE training question
> It's very interesting to see that those people without any certifications,
> always say that certs are a waste of time, that a monkey can pass the
> (all of them, doesn't matter which), blah blah blah
>    A cert is just like a degree.  Not much different.  There are people
> PHD's that are total idiots and you wonder how they got their PHD, then
> there are those PHD's that you just KNOW that they are on top of their
> and deserve those letters.  When an employer looks at a resume, he'll pay
> closer attention to the candidate with those letters.  It's just a bar
> the person jumped over, he/she took the time out of their lives to attain
> that degree or certification, they are worth a closer look.  The person
> without those letters "might" know more about the given subject to to
> experience, but that will come out in the interview.
> ..............
> <ship>
> ..............
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