From: Michael.Schmidt at T-Mobile.com (Schmidt, Michael R.)
Subject: Wireless ISPs

In some states it is illegal to intercept any communication without both parties knowledge.  This is true of wired or wireless communications.  Be it a chat session or an online order process.  In the state of Washington (my home state) intercepting this communication could be a felony.  So at least we have that

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From: full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com]On Behalf Of D B
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 12:21 PM
To: Brian Toovey
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Wireless ISPs

Hi Brian

Sit down sometime inside a wireless ISPs area and run
kismet. You can see someone connect to a service via
SSL, then immediately after they purchase something
they check the email. Guess what ? the Credit card #
and address are in that email.

Doesn't take some 15 year veteran of the internet to
see how this is a bad thing.

Go flame some newb who has no brain.

Dan Becker

--- Brian Toovey <btoovey@...global.com> wrote:
> Dan,
>
> Your post is troubling, if not confusing -
>
> You are talking about two seperate issues - email
> confirmations with companies that you buy goods and
> services from online and wireless data transmission.
>  Most wireless "computer equipment" that is sold now
> by default comes with some kind of encryption,
> completely hackable but "encrypted" - so it becomes
> the end user's responsibility to use the proper
> equipment / software to protect yourself.
>
> The other issue, automatic replies with sensitive
> data, are best directed to the customer service
> department of the company in transgression.
>
> Dan, the internet is an unsafe place for sensitive
> data.  I would suggest some study in different
> encryption methodlogies to educate yourself.
> Education leads to positive, well thought out data
> communication, which leads to peace of mind.
>
> Regards,
> Brian
>
> On May 11, 2004 02:33 PM, D B
> <geggam692000@...oo.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm not real sure how to post this, nor am I sure
> of
> > the scope. I am still learning about computers.
> >
> >
> > All transactions done via secure websites are
> secure,
> > however the auto mailing feature to confirm orders
> > sometimes contains sensitive data. When the
> customer
> > is on a wireless connection, be it ISP or home LAN
> > that data is broadcasted in the clear for anyone
> > within range to eavesdrop. A wired internet
> connection
> > limits the number of people who have access to
> this
> > data simply by the nature of the internet putting
> it
> > within acceptable risk.
> >
> > It is legal according to US law to eavesdrop on
> > wireless connections.
> >
> >
>
http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/wiretap2510_2522.htm
> >
> > The only solutions I can offer are one of two
> things.
> >
> > 1. Quit sending auto confirmations with sensitive
> data
> >
> > 2. Encrypt all wireless transmissions at least
> making
> > someone who gains access to this data
> prosecutable.
> >
> > Please direct all flames to /dev/null
> >
> > Dan Becker
> >
> >
> >    
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