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From: joshua.knarr at sap.com (Knarr, Joshua)
Subject: Mystery phone lines, something is hiding an
	d answ ering.

I would humbly suggest asking them about their "time clock machine".  A lot of places will have one computer that doesn't always look like a computer which the registers talk to.  Oftentimes this is written off by employees as a cash register rather then a computer.

Timecard systems also can have their own phone lines. 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com 
>[mailto:full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com] On Behalf Of Tom Curry
>Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 3:16 PM
>To: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
>Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] Mystery phone lines, something 
>is hiding and answ ering.
>
>Do you have your own PBX? There is usually a modem into the 
>phone system for
>dial in access for maintenance.... Just a thought.
>
>Tom
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com
>[mailto:full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com] On Behalf Of Schmidt,
>Michael R.
>Sent: July 15, 2004 11:44 AM
>To: 'Eddie'; full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
>Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] Mystery phone lines, something 
>is hiding and
>answ ering.
>
>
>Is there a Fire/Burglar Alarm system wired to the phone?
>
>Michael R. Schmidt
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com
>[mailto:full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com]On Behalf Of Eddie 
>Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 9:56 PM
>To: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
>Subject: [Full-Disclosure] Mystery phone lines, something is 
>hiding and answ
>ering.
>
>Hello,
>
>I have been given the task of cleaning out all the old phone 
>lines in 30+
>restaurants. Some locations are 30 years old and in the past, 
>extra lines
>where added as needed, then forgotten about. My task it to 
>figure out what
>lines we are using so we can cancel the rest. 
>I generally start at the equipment, (CC machine, FAX, Modem, 
>etc) and get
>the numbers to the lines we are using, then test the main 
>breakout box that
>feeds the building and figure out what lines are coming into 
>the building.
>Quite a easy task as some of the buildings are over 50 years 
>old and the
>breakout box is nothing but a chunk of wood with nuts and bolts.
>
>Anyway, on the 2 locations I have checked so far, I found 5 extra phone
>lines on one and 7 on the other. The strange thing is, 
>something computer
>related answers. Some lines have no answer,  but most, some 
>computer picks
>up. On one, I get some type of digital tone, but it does not 
>sound like any
>modem I have ever heard.
>
>I tried calling the numbers with my laptop and cell phone 
>(with Caller ID
>turned off). Most of the lines won't connect with No Carrier, 
>but one, I get
>the string " ** 01 Communications TermServ **" and a login prompt.
>
>Now if I disconnect the phone line from the break out box,  it stops
>answering, suggesting that whatever is answering, is in the 
>building.  Now
>in both locations, another store shares a wall. Napa on one 
>and Boot Barn on
>the other. However, I don't think they are using our phone box 
>for their
>lines. I have yet to find a voice line, least one that someone answers.
>
>Friday, I will be spending the day in a very hot place with a 
>flashlight in
>one hand, and a toner in the other tracing wires, but I was hoping that
>someone could give me some suggestions. I have never seen 
>anything like this
>before and I am stumped on what is going on.
>
>Thanks for any and all help
>Eddie
>
>
>
>
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