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From: var at (Vincent Archer)
Subject: Hacking into private files, my credit card purchases, personal correspondence or anything that is mine is trespassing and criminal.

On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 11:43:22AM -0500, Ron DuFresne wrote:
> Vincent, I think you lost track in your reply, he was not talking about
> braondband cable access to the internet, he was talking about cable TV
> services being stolen in this case, and the teft of the 'service'.
> On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Vincent Archer wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 11:41:49AM -0700, Jesse Valentin wrote:
> > > How about using a digital de-scrambler for cable service? You?re getting something you?re not paying for? isn?t that stealing? True, its not a vital service, but isn?t this still plain ?ol stealing?
> >

The initial post was about de-cramblers, i.e. watching TV programs you
haven't paid a subscription for. It's not stealing. The TV programs you
"stole" are still there, and every single subscriber had access to them.
Hence, no theft has occured. Fraud, however, has occured in that case.

I know habit still puts theft to use where nothing is ever stolen. You
still talk about "stealing secrets" in espionage, for example. Nothing
is stolen in that case either. In general, you cannot steal, in the
real sense of the word, information. But theft is much shorter and convey
better the sense of badness than "illegal duplication and access".

Vincent ARCHER

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