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Message-ID: <F5F7636A73726E46B073BE8DA062352885961E@ex1.lhc.psinet-europe.com>
From: Robert.Moss at psinet.telstra.co.uk (Robert Moss)
Subject: New Internet Explorer Beta

Quoting is fun!

IE has been riddled with bugs since it stopped being Mosaic and started
being IE..

Netscape had its share of problems but has never had the kind of weekly
holes that IE has.
Mozilla has bugs but it sure doesn't let malware install itself on your
machine, it doesn't have the same exploits that IE does.

Mozilla has been my default browser for 6 months now, I see no reason to
continue using IE with its bugs and exploits.

"Browsing is definitely a point of vulnerability," Gates said. 

"I can't think of a better validation of the success of Firefox," said
Decrem. "The success of Firefox is forcing Microsoft to improve IE. The
only surprise is that it took them this long to make that announcement."

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.netsys.com
[mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.netsys.com] On Behalf Of William
Lefkovics
Sent: 16 February 2005 04:20
To: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] New Internet Explorer Beta

"The growth in usage of Mozilla Foundation's Firefox browser is driven
by factors that are not inherently sustainable."
"Gartner has warned firms considering migrating to Firefox, an
open-source browser from Mozilla, to think carefully."
"Additionally, now that Firefox and other non-Microsoft browsers are
denting IE's popularity, the bad guys are targetting them."
 - Gartner Group

I'm absolutely delighted that the decision to tie IE releases to Windows
has been reversed.
http://news.com.com/IE+update+to+debut+ahead+of+plans/2100-1032_3-557726
3.html

And Firefox is no panacea.  It is just another browser with a different
set of issues.  A good backup browser, really.  

Besides, the only memory that is wasted is that which is not used,
right?
<jk>

William

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.netsys.com
[mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.netsys.com] On Behalf Of Stan
Bubrouski
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 4:27 PM
To: danjr
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] New Internet Explorer Beta

danjr wrote:
<SNIP>
> initiative.  If IE is ever to regain some of the share it has lost to 
> Firefox, these simulanteous announcements from Microsoft and the news 
> about continuing security vulnerabilities needs to stop.
> 

On a related topic Microsoft's whole Anti-Spyware suite running on top
of a new IE just to plug holes?  How much memory is wasted when you
could simply run firefox or another browser and have no need to run
either of those two hogs.

-sb

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