full-disclosure - [inbox] Re: Hacking Boot camps!

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Message-ID: <NMEAJDJMDLJLOIOCIKJJAENGGMAA.exibar@thelair.com>
Date: Fri Nov 25 23:04:02 2005
From: exibar at thelair.com (Exibar)
Subject: [inbox] Re: Hacking Boot camps!

dude....   Those sounds like words that are coming from someone that tried
to pass a SANS exam but failed....or someone that thought they could get a
job working for SANS but wasn't accepted....  I'm not saying this happened
to you, but there is much emotion in your reply.
   What SANS course are you basing this on?  Did you take any SANS courses?
What would you suggest as more ethical than SANS?  A vendor given course
like Foundstone (McAfee now)?

  Just curious....

  Exibar

> -----Original Message-----
> From: InfoSecBOFH [mailto:infosecbofh@...il.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 12:42 PM
> To: Exibar
> Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
> Subject: [inbox] Re: [Full-disclosure] Hacking Boot camps!
>
>
> On 11/23/05, Exibar <exibar@...lair.com> wrote:
> > I agree, BUT for someone that is just starting out and want's
> to get into
> > the InfoSec field.  SANS will provide them with a very useful
> foundation to
> > start from.
> >   if they're a PC tech, and don't know where to start, a SANS
> type course
> > is money well spent.  AS LONG AS they back it up with their own
> practice and
> > research on their own.
>
> WRONG.  SANS does not provide anything but marketing opportunities for
> vendors who cannot sell product any other way and a thicker wallet for
> those at the top of the pyramid scheme.  I agree that training when
> you are starting out is important but SANS is not an ethical or
> legitimate training institution and does more to harm security than it
> does to help.
>
>
>