full-disclosure - [inbox] Re: Hacking Boot camps!

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Message-ID: <2be58a30511251518rdea0c82n5252ac9e66db4aad@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri Nov 25 23:18:38 2005
From: infosecbofh at gmail.com (InfoSecBOFH)
Subject: [inbox] Re: Hacking Boot camps!

Firstly,

I have taken many sans courses and in fact was at their last event in
LA.  I already do a ton of work for SANS via my employer and I hold a
couple different GIAC certifications.  So nice try.  Instead of
listing the courses that I think suck at SANS I will list the ones
that are good;










yup... empty list.

On 11/25/05, Exibar <exibar@...lair.com> wrote:
> dude....   Those sounds like words that are coming from someone that tried
> to pass a SANS exam but failed....or someone that thought they could get a
> job working for SANS but wasn't accepted....  I'm not saying this happened
> to you, but there is much emotion in your reply.
>   What SANS course are you basing this on?  Did you take any SANS courses?
> What would you suggest as more ethical than SANS?  A vendor given course
> like Foundstone (McAfee now)?
>
>  Just curious....
>
>  Exibar
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: InfoSecBOFH [mailto:infosecbofh@...il.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 12:42 PM
> > To: Exibar
> > Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
> > Subject: [inbox] Re: [Full-disclosure] Hacking Boot camps!
> >
> >
> > On 11/23/05, Exibar <exibar@...lair.com> wrote:
> > > I agree, BUT for someone that is just starting out and want's
> > to get into
> > > the InfoSec field.  SANS will provide them with a very useful
> > foundation to
> > > start from.
> > >   if they're a PC tech, and don't know where to start, a SANS
> > type course
> > > is money well spent.  AS LONG AS they back it up with their own
> > practice and
> > > research on their own.
> >
> > WRONG.  SANS does not provide anything but marketing opportunities for
> > vendors who cannot sell product any other way and a thicker wallet for
> > those at the top of the pyramid scheme.  I agree that training when
> > you are starting out is important but SANS is not an ethical or
> > legitimate training institution and does more to harm security than it
> > does to help.
> >
> >
> >
>
>