full-disclosure - [inbox] Re: Hacking Boot camps!

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Message-ID: <NMEAJDJMDLJLOIOCIKJJGENIGMAA.exibar@thelair.com>
Date: Fri Nov 25 23:26:53 2005
From: exibar at thelair.com (Exibar)
Subject: [inbox] Re: Hacking Boot camps!

wow, SANS must have really hurt you emotionally to be this pissed at
them....

  Ex

> -----Original Message-----
> From: InfoSecBOFH [mailto:infosecbofh@...il.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 4:43 AM
> To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
> Subject: [inbox] Re: [Full-disclosure] Hacking Boot camps!
>
>
> Bottom line is... and you can ignore the SANS instructor/SANS
> zealot post...
>
> SANS = SHIT.
>
> Now that I am in a position with my employer to hire and fire
> people... I will not even consider an applicant who touts his SANS
> certification as something to be proud of or something to make him
> more skilled than the next.
>
> And, now that I am in a senior position at my employer, I am doing
> everything I can to stop my employer from paying the EXTORTION fees to
> SANS in order to be a part of their what works program and any of
> their training.
>
> You know what makes me smile everyday... the knowledge in knowing that
> I am not the only senior infosec person at a major corporation who
> feels this way about SANS.
>
> Fuck SANS.  FUCK EM ALL!
>
> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sans#without
>
> sans    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (snz, s?)
> prep.
> Without.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------
> [Middle English, from Old French, blend of Latin sine, without, and
> absenti, in the absence of, ablative of absentia, absence from absns,
> absent- present participle of abesse, to be away. See absent.]
>
> On 11/23/05, senator.crabgrass@...cast.net
> <senator.crabgrass@...cast.net> wrote:
> > Maybe it is not what you know but who you know.  Best of luck
> with that grail thing, finding it is veiled, holding it is easy,
> keeping it polished is where the work is.
> >
> > --
> > vote for me
> >
> >
> > > On 11/23/05, senator.crabgrass@...cast.net
> > > <senator.crabgrass@...cast.net> wrote:
> > > > ... the cert game is nothing more than  a lucrative revenue
> generator. For
> > > either the test givers or the vender pusher or the land of test king.
> > >
> > > a few respectable names in their roster[1]; i wonder why they don't
> > > name the instructor giving each presentation on their conference
> > > schedule[2]...
> > >
> > > i have a theory: the more legitimately skilled you are, the less you
> > > instruct and the more you are paid.  a nice way to convert reputation
> > > into ca$h!
> > >
> > > [maybe i can get in on this racket once i attain the holy grail of
> > > CPA, GCFW, CISSP, CISM, CISA, CCNA, CCSE, CCSA, GIAC, GCIA, GSNA,
> > > GCFA, GCIH, GCUX, GSEC, QUE, WTFBBQ]
> > >
> > > 1. http://www.sans.org/instructors.php
> > > 2. http://www.sans.org/index.php
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