full-disclosure - Re: Hacking Boot camps!: certifications

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Date: Sat Nov 26 04:22:21 2005
From: rs2321 at gmail.com (R S)
Subject: Re: Hacking Boot camps!: certifications

A certification is certainly a plus a get to the door for an interview
(since the door to the interview is usually (wo)manned by
non-tecchnical HR people) and to impress non-technical people. Anyone
touting a certification to a technical person should be shown the door
since they still don't realise how little technical expertise is
actually involved in a certification.  I am certainly not belittiling
the  efforts behind your GIAC if that's what you have, but if you
think it is really worth that much it is wrong.

Hint: Compare how much of technical advancement has happened in the
security field because of published GIAC papers compared to real
technical papers coming out of academia.



On 11/26/05, Exibar <exibar@...lair.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > So am I any smarter for having my CISSP over a GIAC?... I dont think so..
> > but the employeers seem to thing so =)
> >
>
>
> Just to chime in a personal opinion....    The GIAC exams (NOT their new
> Silver level, but the Gold level) is worth more to me than CISSP.  Why do
> you ask.  CISSP only requires you to take an exam, pass, and you get your
> cert.  The GIAC GOLD certs require you to write a paper, of varying length
> per cert, and pass it and 1 or 2 exams in order to get yoru cert.
>    It's one thing to be able to go to a week long class, brush up on a few
> points here and there, take an exam and pass to get a cert, CISSP.
>    It's another copletely different thing to be able to comprehend the
> information enough to be able to write a 20 - 75 page paper on the subject,
> have it read and graded by "experts" in the field, and then get the cert.
> GIAC
>    Even though the GIAC certs generally cover a narrow topic compared to
> CISSP, you have to know your subject quite well in order to be able to pass
> that cert.  Forget about the silver cert for GIAC... just another exam or
> two to pass....
>
>  IF I was interviewing someone new for a security position, I'd certainly
> take this into account before hireing them.  Along with many other factors
> too, of course.
>
>  Exibar
>
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