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Date: Tue Dec  6 17:54:39 2005
From: wilder_jeff at msn.com (wilder_jeff Wilder)
Subject: IT security professionals in demand in 2006

I'll second that



-Jeff Wilder
CISSP,CCE,C/EH



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>You are confusing terms here I think.  VUlnerability Assessment = scanner 
>tools
>
>Pen-Test = actual skill.  At least thats how those consultants with a
>clue should be selling it.  A Vuln Assessment has value, but can be
>done by anyone.  A Pen-Test, takes a lot more time, the value is
>aguable, and only the skilled can actually do them.
>
>On 12/4/05, sk <sk@...undzero-security.com> wrote:
> > CISSP is bullshit. as eeye said 99% of the security consultants do their
> > pen-tests with automated tools which is pathetic in my opinion.
> > if you cant write exploits, you are no professional, more like a steam
> > blower. how can someone be professional when he doesnt
> > even understand how an exploit works in deep? what if there are custom
> > scripts or exotic daemons installed? without beeing able to audit
> > code and understand how certain bugs are beeing exploited, how can 
>someone
> > think he got enough clue to do a professional security audit?
> > its just a rip off of the customers as simple as that. or would you pay
> > someone to run an automated tool against your host, sit back and wait
> > till a nice pdf statistic is generated so he got something to present to
> > you? of course you wouldnt. in the 90s the people still had to learn on
> > their own and all the mainstream hackers who speak at your conventions 
>didnt
> > learn their knowledge from stupid class rooms.
> > everyone who thinks hes a security professional or even a hacker after 
>he
> > made some certs, is just living in a dream world.
> > then again the media plays well with the steam blowers so they can make 
>a
> > nice living..
> > sorry i just had to say that since its going on my nerves how all these
> > people suddenly think their stupid certs make em special, but then if
> > it comes to knowledge everyone is cluless...
> >
> > -sk
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ivan ." <ivanhec@...il.com>
> > To: <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
> > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:01 AM
> > Subject: [Full-disclosure] IT security professionals in demand in 2006
> >
> >
> > > http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;923889191;fp;16;fpid;0
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