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Message-ID: <0IR60084WR670U@mailgate4.nau.edu>
Date: Thu Dec  8 15:32:56 2005
From: bryan.loveless at NAU.EDU (Bryan Loveless)
Subject: certifications

If I may offer my opinion on certs... I am a computer professional for a
University, and I teach Technology/computer classes at a private college
school at night.  At this private college (College America) we push certs
along with the degree.  When students exit our 16-18 month program, they
only have an AA, but with certs they have more of an opportunity to get a
job.  Back after the "dot com bust" I was unemployed and decided to get my
MCSA cert.  I am never going to suggest that a cert will get you a job, but
I will certainly say it helps get you an interview.  If you really know what
you are talking about, it will come out in the interview.

So.... go for the cert, any cert, it certainly will not hurt you and the
couple hundred bucks is well worth the extra interviews you will get with
it.

Thanks,

--bryan
Support Systems Analyst
Associate Instructor
Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 18:55:25 -0800
From: Joel Jose <joeljose420@...il.com>
Subject: [Full-disclosure] agreed certs dont mean that much..but need
	experience..
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Cc: Edwin Palathinkal <edwinhere@...il.com>
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well agreed but then we cant get experience without a job. and to get a job
you need qualifications ..so certificates are supposed to give that to you..
good ones like cissp demand that you have working experience as a pre
requisite. so is there any good certs for starting as a security
professional? i am doing my Btech(BS) degree.. that should give me some
edge.. but i still need qualifications like good certs that will be looked
up by the security industry.
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that they set out to destroy.
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