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Date: Thu Dec  8 16:01:21 2005
From: pingywon at hotmail.com (pingywon)
Subject: certifications

Agreed -

I have said it many times before. Back before the dot com bust all you 
needed was certs to get a job, qualified or not.

now in this day and age you need to them just to get an interview.


~pingywon MCSE


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bryan Loveless" <bryan.loveless@....EDU>
To: <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 10:32 AM
Subject: [Full-disclosure] certifications


> If I may offer my opinion on certs... I am a computer professional for a
> University, and I teach Technology/computer classes at a private college
> school at night.  At this private college (College America) we push certs
> along with the degree.  When students exit our 16-18 month program, they
> only have an AA, but with certs they have more of an opportunity to get a
> job.  Back after the "dot com bust" I was unemployed and decided to get my
> MCSA cert.  I am never going to suggest that a cert will get you a job, 
> but
> I will certainly say it helps get you an interview.  If you really know 
> what
> you are talking about, it will come out in the interview.
>
> So.... go for the cert, any cert, it certainly will not hurt you and the
> couple hundred bucks is well worth the extra interviews you will get with
> it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --bryan
> Support Systems Analyst
> Associate Instructor
> Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 18:55:25 -0800
> From: Joel Jose <joeljose420@...il.com>
> Subject: [Full-disclosure] agreed certs dont mean that much..but need
> experience..
> To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
> Cc: Edwin Palathinkal <edwinhere@...il.com>
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>
> well agreed but then we cant get experience without a job. and to get a 
> job
> you need qualifications ..so certificates are supposed to give that to 
> you..
> good ones like cissp demand that you have working experience as a pre
> requisite. so is there any good certs for starting as a security
> professional? i am doing my Btech(BS) degree.. that should give me some
> edge.. but i still need qualifications like good certs that will be looked
> up by the security industry.
> --
> As soon as men decide that all means are permitted to fight an
> evil, then their good becomes indistinguishable from the evil
> that they set out to destroy.
>                      - Christopher Dawson, The Judgment of Nations
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